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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 19:39:55 (permalink)
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Yes, Adam Smith and Andrew Carnegie were both Scots.
So? 
And both were Calvinists, something not true of Marx.
So? 
 
 
So your economic argument based on geography and ideology doesn't hold true, at least from the geographical perspective (I can see the arguments for Carnegie suddenly seeing the light, but this does not hold true of Smith).
Also neither was a Calvinist in the strict sense of the term; Smith was a committed Presbyterian, which can certainly be classified under a meta definition of Calvinism, but was famously at odds with the established Calvinist regime his whole life. Carnegie was rather more of an agnostic; when he did start attending church it was the Presbyterian denomination, not it's easily available strict Calvinist parent.

MetroplexJim
I imagine that both men would have enjoyed a coal-oven Neapolitan-style pizza.

I would hope so. And would be able to do so today, even in "socialist" Scotland"

MetroplexJim
Now to your clever comment which was the point of your post: 'the old "it's not politics, it's facts" trick'. 
 Clearly, you have read Alinsky. 
 

No, I hadn't. Though I did have a quick look, and if that's supposed to be an argument then there's no wonder there's little appetite for the politics of the left these days. Here I defer to your knowledge of rebutting the other side of the argument; I really haven't read anything about contemporary politics other than what appears in the papers or the odd periodical (I subscribe to the Economist, Forbes and both the Trib and the PG here in Pittsburgh). 

I have only criticized one single thing about what you've posted. I don't disagree with your economic argument at all, what I take issue with (which is why I'm still banging on about it, to my shame) is your assertion that you're not trying to make political points. When you are. I know, it would be nice if they didn't have to be political (especially when they are, in my opinion at least, right) but they are. And in portraying them as not, you're not doing anyone any favors. Other than me, because I'm enjoying the debate.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 19:47:33 (permalink)
My 12 year old granddaughter made a comment today that medicine cost too much. She said poor people ought to be able to buy it for a penny. I gave her a simple economic lesson and pointed out there were a lot of people who had jobs to create, make and sell that medicine and they all had families and had to get paid. Someone has to pay that cost. We did not get into philosophical differences to how poor people can afford or get medicine that cost too much for them to afford it. I think she will need to be a little older for that discussion.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 20:12:05 (permalink)
I'm old enough....explain it to me!!!!!!!!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 06:23:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby valleydoug 2015/08/03 17:21:00
I thought we were discussing pizza parlors. These off shoot discussions are precisely why I am finding roadfood boring.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 07:58:17 (permalink)
I'll stick with Corrnersburg Pizza in the Youngstown Ohio aria. I know it will never make a top ten list. It's just "real" good pizza, with it's crispy ground sausage, mushrooms and standard green peppers it can't be beat. However I'm not sure if it's better fresh out of the oven or cold the next morning for breakfast... Oh, and nothing good ever came out of Gary Indiana. :)
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 08:20:35 (permalink)
ann peeples
I thought we were discussing pizza parlors. These off shoot discussions are precisely why I am finding roadfood boring.


I agree. The far off-topic supercilious pedantry is making me lose my appetite for pizza, a situation I'd rather not experience.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 08:26:42 (permalink)
...oh my,nothing, I mean NOTHING could make me lose my appetite for pizza!!!!!!!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 08:33:04 (permalink)
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I thought we were discussing pizza parlors. These off shoot discussions are precisely why I am finding roadfood boring.


I agree. The far off-topic supercilious pedantry is making me lose my appetite for pizza, a situation I'd rather not experience.



Very well, I will desist.
 
All I was trying to do was explain how truly great pizza has spread so far, so fast.  And that such is a benefit both to consumers and the businesspeople taking the risk.
 
Some are interested in 'how things happen' and 'the way things work', others are not.  I regret any inconvenience I may have caused the latter.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 08:37:27 (permalink)
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I'll stick with Corrnersburg Pizza in the Youngstown Ohio aria. I know it will never make a top ten list. It's just "real" good pizza, with it's crispy ground sausage, mushrooms and standard green peppers it can't be beat. However I'm not sure if it's better fresh out of the oven or cold the next morning for breakfast... Oh, and nothing good ever came out of Gary Indiana. :)



I loved Cornersburg when I lived in those parts (New Wilmington, PA).  The Inner Circle was also a 'pizza destination' for me in those days.  I'm glad they are both still operating and are enjoying good reviews on-line.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 08:37:46 (permalink)
How about a list of places that don't care about pizza lists?
Maybe an Italian index.
Italians in Oregon have real minority status.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 08:44:36 (permalink)
Of course I am interested in how things work, etc. But the comments started to go way beyond that, and I come to this site to discuss the food at hand.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 09:01:17 (permalink)
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Of course I am interested in how things work, etc. But the comments started to go way beyond that, and I come to this site to discuss the food at hand.


 
JuanKerr made a very literate post with one very provocative sentence to which I felt compelled to respond.  Sorry you felt yourself somehow caught in the crossfire.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 09:24:36 (permalink)
MpJ, and JK, from my perspective by all means continue your debate, if it takes the thread a bit to the left or right so be it.  
One dissenter does not a thread kill.
It makes for interesting reading from my POV, as a lowly engineer that never thought about economics all that much in this context.
Can't contribute to the pizza comments, as pizza here mostly sucks with a few glaring exceptions...but thats another story.
 
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 10:30:55 (permalink)
I am not a dissenter -I was simply stating my opinion. By all means, continue. I have the choice to skip the thread, and I will. Kinda rude, Rod, to label someone you don't know. That's all from me.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 11:04:49 (permalink)
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I'm old enough....explain it to me!!!!!!!!!


Beyond explaining the facts that medicine is not free it gets political. So hence the end of discussion.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 11:33:32 (permalink)
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leethebard
I'm old enough....explain it to me!!!!!!!!!


Beyond explaining the facts that medicine is not free it gets political. So hence the end of discussion.


 
If you like your pizza, you can keep your pizza.
 
To stay on topic, I like Matthew's Pizza in Baltimore.
 
 
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 14:29:50 (permalink)
As an aging Capitalist, and a Goldwater type conservative, I have been spoiled by making my own pizza for the past decade or so....especially if I can get my hands on some Linguica.  Sadly, my darling wife, seems to prefer some take-out place.  I refuse to ask her how she'll vote too.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 20:55:20 (permalink)
ann peeples
I thought we were discussing pizza parlors. These off shoot discussions are precisely why I am finding roadfood boring.

Indeed, and I apologize for derailing the conversation. Back to best pizza lists of dubious origin, I'm rather disappointed that no-one has attempted to compile the top X worst pizzas in the country. Sure there's some lists out there based on nutritional value (or the lack thereof) but surely a round up of truly terrible pizzas shouldn't be much harder than a list of great ones; there's plenty of candidates in both fields.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/03 21:39:44 (permalink)
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ann peeples
I thought we were discussing pizza parlors. These off shoot discussions are precisely why I am finding roadfood boring.

Indeed, and I apologize for derailing the conversation. Back to best pizza lists of dubious origin, I'm rather disappointed that no-one has attempted to compile the top X worst pizzas in the country. Sure there's some lists out there based on nutritional value (or the lack thereof) but surely a round up of truly terrible pizzas shouldn't be much harder than a list of great ones; there's plenty of candidates in both fields.


That's easy: Dominos,Pizza Hut, Papa Johns's,Little Caesars, ........etc. etc.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 06:26:12 (permalink)
Nope. Pizza is so bad in NC that the chains are your best chance for a decent pie.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 08:45:27 (permalink)
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Nope. Pizza is so bad in NC that the chains are your best chance for a decent pie.



It's just as they are focused on the best barbecue on the planet.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 08:47:37 (permalink)
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Nope. Pizza is so bad in NC that the chains are your best chance for a decent pie.

That's the saddest thing I've ever heard!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 09:00:11 (permalink)
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Nope. Pizza is so bad in NC that the chains are your best chance for a decent pie.

That's the saddest thing I've ever heard!!!!!!!!!!




I find that incredulous. My Long Island cousins moved to Charlotte and found some great pizza out there.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 09:15:35 (permalink)
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Nope. Pizza is so bad in NC that the chains are your best chance for a decent pie.

That's the saddest thing I've ever heard!!!!!!!!!!




I find that incredulous. My Long Island cousins moved to Charlotte and found some great pizza out there.




Thought so.  "Great pizza" is now pretty much coast-to-coast.
 
BBQ is now pretty much ubiquitous, thanks to Dickey's and a few other 'chains' which are to 'Q as McD's is to burgers. 
 
Decent BBQ is starting to spread and is pretty much where pizza was in the "spreading" regard a decade ago.
 
"Great BBQ" has finally reached Dallas.  NYC is holding BBQ Festivals.  Pittsburgh now has good BBQ and now knows it is something other than Isaly's Sauce on chipped/chopped ham!  Can Boston be far behind?
 
The 'process' of this delightful happening I have spoken of above. 
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 09:34:40 (permalink)
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Nope. Pizza is so bad in NC that the chains are your best chance for a decent pie.

That's the saddest thing I've ever heard!!!!!!!!!!




I find that incredulous. My Long Island cousins moved to Charlotte and found some great pizza out there.




Thought so.  "Great pizza" is now pretty much coast-to-coast.

As I said, Papa Johns, Domino's, etc., etc.

I keep trying the locals. Blech! Sliced Italian sausage & marinara sauce do not belong on pizza. They are clueless.

I either make it at home, or wait to fly back to Wisconsin.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 12:28:05 (permalink)
I've had thousands of slices all over, across this country coast to coast, and in many European countries. Local pizza is hit or miss, but rightly so, there are "hits" out there everywhere. This Italian knows that even a miss at a local Italian pizzeria is better than ANY fast food pizza I've ever had. I've tried them all...and they are terrible. I guess I'm lucky living here on the east coast where good pizza is everywhere. I could take you to almost 50 good Italian pizzerias here in Brick. Our yellow pages listings for pizza goes on forever. That said,nothing could make me eat imitation pizza. Even Costco with its too sweet sauce is better at $1.99 that any fast food conveyor belt  pizza from a chain. If you like that stuff, fine, so be it.....I just choose to differ. 70 years of eating the real thing just won't let me!!!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 12:59:30 (permalink)
I don't always eat carryout pizza, but when I do in NC, I prefer national chain pizzas.

If I had 50 decent Italian pizzerias near me, I would never touch a chain either. So I suspect that you don't have very much experience eating chain pies. I have found that the quality at chains has gotten much better recently. Far superior to anything from Costco (which I would never touch).

We are getting into "I hate IHOP" territory here. "If it's a chain, it must be bad. But I never touch anything from chains." It's easy to start from that assumption, but when all the Mom & Pop Local Pizza Parlors demonstrate total incompetence, the chains become the only acceptable option.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 13:16:05 (permalink)
I was at a competition recently, and they served Dominos.....horrible, new improvements? and all. I've been at Pizza Hut last year with friends. Terrible. And I had Papa Johns with friends watching a game....The worst!!! Also tried Cici's...equally bad....To paraphrase Papa John, cheap ingredients, cheap(far overpriced) Papa John's!!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 13:20:55 (permalink)
Wow. Compared to me, you are a chain junkie.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/04 13:34:03 (permalink)
If that was chain"junk" I'll agree. What I do for friendship!!!!!
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