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2015/07/29 19:08:05 (permalink)

A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors

https://www.yahoo.com/travel/tripadvisor-best-pizza-parlors-in-the-us-125291350527.html
 
Trip adviser takes  on where to taste the best pizza across America. Two lists here: Top Ten Pizza Parlors...and then Top Pizza cities, which I found interesting....Give this one a look. Comments???? So many cities here...how many roadfooders have tried these places. I know Frank Pepe's in New Haven has a lot of fans...and this list does recommend their clam pie. I like how they recommend signature pies from each location.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/29 19:10:12 (permalink)
I know without looking that none of them are near me. Now I'll look.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/29 19:11:59 (permalink)
Just looked and I can't argue with anything on those lists. Great looking pies.
 
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 13:08:15 (permalink)
St. Augustine? Any Floridian RF'ers can tell us about Pizza Time?
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 14:06:03 (permalink)
Can we come up with a Top 10 Pizza Cities List for People Who Don't Write Pizza Lists? Anyplace is fair game that is not on the list that is linked above.

I'll start:
Quad Cities
Milwaukee
Coraopolis
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 14:10:43 (permalink)
The only city that come to mind to me is Gary Indiana, that's where Pizza was invented.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 14:11:56 (permalink)
True. I saw it on Wikipedia.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 14:30:10 (permalink)
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The only city that come to mind to me is Gary Indiana, that's where Pizza was invented.


Yeah right!!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 14:30:38 (permalink)
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The only city that come to mind to me is Gary Indiana, that's where Pizza was invented.


Yeah right!!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 14:51:59 (permalink)
I'm surprised 2 Amy's wasn't listed under D. C.  But it has been many years since I've been.  I always thought it was much better than Pizzeria Paradiso
 
6. Washington, D.C.
Where to go: We the Pizza, Matchbox Pizza, Pizzeria Paradiso
 
 
http://www.2amyspizza.com/
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 15:56:53 (permalink)
I've been to 2Amy's and Pizzeria Paradiso on Dupont Circle. I have to give the nod to Pizzeria Paradiso. For starters they baked in a hotter oven and had a more pleasant intimate atmosphere in which to enjoy a pizza.
 
As far as lists go, they are getting to be a dime a dozen. Too much lazy Internet surfing by low level staffers putting them together it seems like to me. I doubt anyone could possibly compile a definitive list. Taste is too subjective. Styles are different and influencing. Ingredients range widely. And of course no pizza could be as good as a New York pizza because of the water naturally. Since it all started in Gary, Indiana, Chicago, being bigger, just bullied them out of the way, got jealous of Minnesota hot dish and invented their deep dish pizza to develop their "Da Bears" physiques.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 18:16:20 (permalink)
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I'm surprised 2 Amy's wasn't listed under D. C.  But it has been many years since I've been.  I always thought it was much better than Pizzeria Paradiso
 
6. Washington, D.C.Where to go: We the Pizza, Matchbox Pizza, Pizzeria Paradiso  http://www.2amyspizza.com/



 
I"m surprised that Washington, DC made the pizza list at all.    Decent  pizza in this area is tough to find. .   For being the 7th largest (likely to be 6th largest by next year)  Metropolitan Statistical Area, it is amazingly sparse on good pizza, as well as good RoadFood, overall.   Pizzeria Paradiso and 2 Amy's are both "okay", but when they are the best the area has to offer, you know it's going to be tough to find good pizza in the area. 
 
 
Glenn
 
 
 
 
post edited by Glenn1234 - 2015/07/30 18:36:00
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 18:44:52 (permalink)
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The only city that come to mind to me is Gary Indiana, that's where Pizza was invented.


Yeah right!!!


Can someone tell the story behind this post , I have read it many times over the years and always wondered where it started. If the story cant be posted feel free to P.M. me. Thank You.   
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 19:06:12 (permalink)
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The only city that come to mind to me is Gary Indiana, that's where Pizza was invented.


Yeah right!!!


Can someone tell the story behind this post , I have read it many times over the years and always wondered where it started. If the story cant be posted feel free to P.M. me. Thank You.   
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Well, first off, it wasn't actually invented in Gary, Indiana. But it was the first place in North America that had pizza, the idea for which was brought to Gary by servicemen returning from Italy after World War II, just 20 years after Frank Pepe's opened in New Haven and 48 years after Lombardi's did in New York. But according to a long-gone poster from Gary, that's where it all began. It was his story and he swore to it.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 19:16:45 (permalink)
BILL'S PIZZA - PALM SPRINGS?  Really?
 
But they don't do clams!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 20:00:12 (permalink)
Groucho:
 
first there was:
http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/The-Best-Pizza-You-Ever-Ate-m235697.aspx#235715
 
and a bit later, the full-blown classic in all its glory:
http://www.roadfood.com/F...ith-Pizza-m248618.aspx
post edited by TJ Jackson - 2015/07/30 20:11:44
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 20:47:51 (permalink)
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The only city that come to mind to me is Gary Indiana, that's where Pizza was invented.


Yeah right!!!


Can someone tell the story behind this post , I have read it many times over the years and always wondered where it started. If the story cant be posted feel free to P.M. me. Thank You.   
Karl                                                                                                                                                             


Well, first off, it wasn't actually invented in Gary, Indiana. But it was the first place in North America that had pizza, the idea for which was brought to Gary by servicemen returning from Italy after World War II, just 20 years after Frank Pepe's opened in New Haven and 48 years after Lombardi's did in New York. But according to a long-gone poster from Gary, that's where it all began. It was his story and he swore to it.


...and by golly we have all believed it ever since.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/30 21:59:21 (permalink)
Thank you TJ. Polish Guy sure was proud of Gary Indiana pizza.
Karl
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/31 07:43:05 (permalink)
I do think Gary,Indiana was the place where ketchup was first put on a hot dog, though!!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/31 08:11:54 (permalink)
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St. Augustine? Any Floridian RF'ers can tell us about Pizza Time?


Sorry...We've been up to St. Aug. several times but never thought of looking for pizza!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/31 10:10:19 (permalink)
This is wonderful.
 
What remains of the 'free market' today has spread truly great pizza across America.
 
When we moved to Dallas a decade ago it was a pizza dessert.  Today it is a verdant oasis in that regard.
 
I truly love "Roadfood" and good food in general; that is why I post here.  I am also an economist; let me take a moment.
 
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Few know that the term "Capitalism" is a slur created by the feverish mind of Karl Marx to revile and mock 'free enterprise'.
 
Capital is one of the four factors of 'stuff' that it takes - by human action and voluntary exchange among free men - to make 'other stuff' that is useful for human life lived beyond the cave.  The nature of the other factors are well-known and obvious:  land, labor, and entrepreneurship.
 
But most confuse "capital" with "money".  The freakish system Marx envisioned - itself a denial of basic human nature - relies to this day upon this confusion
 
Capital is ANYTHING that, when combined with labor, makes labor MORE PRODUCTIVE.  
 
Simple pencil & paper are capital; when used to record human thought they make the labor involved in so doing more productive than using charcoal on a cave wall or a stylus on a clay tablet.  This 'thing' that I use to write this, together with the immense and sophisticated communications infrastructure that enables you to read it, are CAPITAL
 
Thus, Capital is not 'money'.  Certainly, acquiring Capital is expensive.  Often, acquiring it requires borrowing from money-changers (even The Carpenter required tools to ply His trade); they are merchants, not 'capitalists'.  They facilitate the acquisition of capital, perform a valuable function thereby, and become wealthy in the process.  Consider this:  'dealmaker' J.P. Morgan contributed specialized, skilled labor to the productive process.  Andrew Carnegie, by assuming risk and acquiring capital, produced the backbone of America.
 
The essence of Free Enterprise is simply that land, labor, capital, and entrepreneurship each EARN a return in a market in which free men make voluntary exchanges with one another.
 
Here is how it works from one of my teachers:
 

 
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O.K., I took more than a moment.
 
Here's my 'point':  along with skilled pizzaolas' it takes capital to make a great pizza - the wood and coal-fired ovens that it takes to create 'a notch above'.  This is most definitely not "new technology". 
 
It is the capital of the internet that let the 'hicks' in Dallas and the 'un-washed' working the Bakken and the Marcellus know that they were 'missing something'.
 
The same can be said of the 'brilliant, self-select' of the Upper West Side "discovering" BBQ.
 
God Bless Adam Smith for observing (NOT 'designing'):
 
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our necessities but of their advantages.".
 
and, regarding free men interacting in free markets:
 
"Intending only their own gain men are led as if by an invisible hand to promote societal benefits which were no part of their intention."
 
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IMHO, Decades after his death Andrew Carnegie did more to win WWII than Franklin Roosevelt.
 
Think about it.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/31 10:17:00 (permalink)
Thats all fine and good, MPJ, but it doesn't explain how pizza started in Gary Indiana, and thats what we're focused on in this thread.
 
Focus, man, FOCUS!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/07/31 10:32:30 (permalink)
TJ Jackson
Thats all fine and good, MPJ, but it doesn't explain how pizza started in Gary Indiana, and thats what we're focused on in this thread.
 
Focus, man, FOCUS!




I have travelled through Gary. 
 
Didn't smelled a pizza baking there.
 
I assume it there exists.
 
I hope that the 'locals' don't coerce their city council to pass an ordinance regulating 'pizza oven smell'.
 
We enjoy the product of our wood and coal-fired ovens here in Dallas!
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/01 14:53:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby JRPfeff 2015/08/02 09:14:01
Just to sidetrack from politics to pizza lists for a moment, remember this list is generated by Trip Advisor score averages which probably explains the presence of Anchorage, St Augustine and Palm Springs there. Whilst haven't frequented any of the establishments and realize they must be pretty good to score so highly, they're hardly being rated by a roving gang of pizza aficionados compared to other pizza places in the country (although I'm sure there's an element of that). Far more important in making up the rankings are comparisons to a) other pizza available locally and b) other food establishments in general in the local area.
The "Top Pizza cities" is calculated similarly which explains not only why Orlando appears but why the top recommendation there is a chain (and not a particularly good one, either, though Anthony's is admittedly a step up from Dominos).
I'll illustrate with a completely random example. If you look at the top rated pizza place in, say, Gary, IN, it's an establishment called Flamingo Pizza of Miller (according to Wikipedia, Gary was the place where flamingo as a pizza topping was first thought of). It must be punching its weight as it comes in at #4 on Trip Advisor. #5 is a Ponderosa. I'll let you draw your own conclusions...
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 09:04:54 (permalink)
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Just to sidetrack from politics to pizza lists for a moment,



My goodness; excuse me.
 
Here's my point in #21 above.
 
For those who enjoy pizza:
 
  • It's wonderful that modern communications infrastructure has let it be known to (prior) 'pizza deserts' that they were missing something.
  •  And, it's wonderful that free men in those markets freely chose to undertake the risk of acquiring (sometimes by borrowed money) the capital (as defined above) to produce a superior product that induces individual - absent any coercion, i.e., freely - to purchase and enjoy it.
 
Just how is my stating that is, in any way, "politics" in this, the Land of the Free, confounds me.
 
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 10:32:51 (permalink)
I enjoyed the economics lesson in # 21 above........but.......
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 14:01:08 (permalink)
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I enjoyed the economics lesson in # 21 above........but.......



"Somebody has to say it."?
 
It is a sad, impedingly tragic, fact that most of our fellow Americans think that wall-plug is simply a state of nature.
 
Think about that.
 
Long ago, reading Jose Ortega y Gasset forced me in that regard. 
 
Gracias, Sr. Jose! 
 
Is it 'political' merely to observe that great pizza is not a 'state of nature'?
Is it "off topic" to explain why such is not so?
 
In any case I'm just 'warming up' for another two semesters of teaching. 
Forgive me.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 16:58:54 (permalink)
I don't disagree with your economic argument at all, Jim however:
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Few know that the term "Capitalism" is a slur created by the feverish mind of Karl Marx to revile and mock 'free enterprise'.

.. that's politics.

I just don't think you can make a convincing case geo-politically for your claims, economically sound as I think they are. Adam Smith and Andrew Carnegie were Scots, incidentally. Marx was from Trier and lived most of his life, and wrote most of his nonsense, in London. Yet both the the Rhineland and the south of England are traditionally (and indeed, at the moment) conservative and believers in free flow of capital (monetary or otherwise). Scotland (particularly in the last 20 years) is overwhelmingly socialist.
I'm also not sure how the likes of NOMA, which has changed Scandinavian and indeed global cusine, managed to flourish in a country which (to American and British folk, at least) is traditionally left wing and relatively restrictive of the flow of capital. Unless your argument only applies to pizza (in which case I'd have to agree, pizza in Scandinavia is uniformly vile in my experience, despite it's prominence in recent morose Swedish crime fiction).

Good luck with the classes this year; I hope you have at least a couple of kids in there who are familiar enough with the Socratic method to not fall for the old "it's not politics, it's facts" trick. And you have absolutely nothing to be forgiven for, your discourse was 100% relevant to the topic of shady lists of "best" pizza on the internet.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 16:59:31 (permalink)
No problem,one teacher to another.
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Re: A New List For BEST Pizza Parlors 2015/08/02 18:07:24 (permalink)
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I don't disagree with your economic argument at all, Jim however:
MetroplexJim
Few know that the term "Capitalism" is a slur created by the feverish mind of Karl Marx to revile and mock 'free enterprise'.

.. that's politics.

I just don't think you can make a convincing case geo-politically for your claims, economically sound as I think they are. Adam Smith and Andrew Carnegie were Scots, incidentally. Marx was from Trier and lived most of his life, and wrote most of his nonsense, in London. Yet both the the Rhineland and the south of England are traditionally (and indeed, at the moment) conservative and believers in free flow of capital (monetary or otherwise). Scotland (particularly in the last 20 years) is overwhelmingly socialist.
I'm also not sure how the likes of NOMA, which has changed Scandinavian and indeed global cusine, managed to flourish in a country which (to American and British folk, at least) is traditionally left wing and relatively restrictive of the flow of capital. Unless your argument only applies to pizza (in which case I'd have to agree, pizza in Scandinavia is uniformly vile in my experience, despite it's prominence in recent morose Swedish crime fiction).

Good luck with the classes this year; I hope you have at least a couple of kids in there who are familiar enough with the Socratic method to not fall for the old "it's not politics, it's facts" trick. And you have absolutely nothing to be forgiven for, your discourse was 100% relevant to the topic of shady lists of "best" pizza on the internet.




Yes, Adam Smith and Andrew Carnegie were both Scots.
 
So? 
 
And both were Calvinists, something not true of Marx.
 
So? 
 
Smith observed, then articulated why free men interacting with one another in voluntary exchange under LAW would maximize societal gain.  Carnegie, perhaps intending his own gain promoted ends beyond his wildest imagination.  He thought that his greatest contribution to mankind would be his immense philanthropy.  No, it was his life's work in planning, organizing, actuating, and controlling an enterprise which literally forms the backbone of the modern world.
 
I imagine that both men would have enjoyed a coal-oven Neapolitan-style pizza.
 
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Now to your clever comment which was the point of your post: 'the old "it's not politics, it's facts" trick'. 
 
Clearly, you have read Alinsky. 
 
Here is his 'masterwork' for any here to read.  He dedicated it to the "Master of Deceit". 
 
I require it from my students, along with Marx' ramblings about 'capital' as being 'congealed labor'.
 
Facts are not 'tricks'; they just "are".
 
I believe that Alinsky probably enjoyed a coal-fired Neapolitan pizza or two in his lifetime.  And I am sure that Marx would have relished such had he had the opportunity.
 
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So, I celebrate the fact that pretty much everyone in the USA may enjoy great pizza, probably on a rebar strengthen floor, under an I-beam reinforced ceiling, sitting on a ........ 
 
 
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