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Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello!

Hi everyone,
My Wife and I finally bit the bullet. We ordered an empty 6x12 concession window trailer. It's a V front with extra space and we had the tongue extended 12". Also, it has swing out rear doors. My Wife's empananada recipe is killer. The plan is to keep it as simple as possible. We've sampled other popular emanada trucks and they have nothing on her. There are no emanada trucks in my area. Maybe add other foods down the road.
We are about to order equipment. The main place that we want to park has a metered 220v and 110v hook ups. I've been going crazy trying to figure out what routes to go on power options.
Basically:
Fryer, 110, 220, propane?
Freezer, 110? I have it already
Exhaust grease fan, 110v?
Water heater and system, 12v, 110, propane

I'm doing most work myself and multi power types seems maybe unnecessary.
In keeping things simple. I was thinking that the more 110v items I use, the easier it is to plug in somewhere. Including my own driveway. My current generator is not 220v.

Any thoughts?
Thanks John
post edited by 410John - 2017/07/07 09:41:06
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/07/07 11:00:19 (permalink)
    First off, WELCOME to Roadfood and best of luck as you begin this crazy new section of your life. Be prepared to question and be frustrated by every thing you do or think. By the time you open, you might be selling a whole other product. It is all normal and part of the joy of selling food.
     
    IMO, Whenever the option is propane, use it. Recovery times alone are worth it. For electric, its alot easier to find 110 hookups at events. 
     
    For what you should be using to make Empanadas, you should not need any power hungry appliances. I am a stern believer that less is more. If you start out in heavy debt, it will cripple you forever. Do not be afraid to buy used. Foodservice equipment is awfully strong and simple stuff. Dont be intimidated by the prospect of not having a warranty.
     
    What part of country are you located?
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/07/08 12:41:00 (permalink)
    Thanks for your input. We are in Maryland.
    I was thinking of propane and 110 on everything. Going to look at a slightly used Dean 40ld propane fryer today.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/07/09 18:28:55 (permalink)
    I've seen trucks with custom hoods, also in my area many there's many generic head banger hoods. I'm no stranger to metal fabrication. Do custom hoods need to be NSF rated?
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/07/10 00:59:49 (permalink)
    I'm not sure about fabbing hoods in Maryland. be sure to be best buds with your local health and building department and I'm sure you'll be fine.... BUT welcome to the forums we love reading about progress here and we also love pictures.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/07/10 22:56:28 (permalink)
    Where in Maryland John?

    410John
    Hi everyone,
    My Wife and I finally bit the bullet. We ordered an empty 6x12 concession window trailer. It's a V front with extra space and we had the tongue extended 12". Also, it has swing out rear doors. My Wife's empananada recipe is killer. The plan is to keep it as simple as possible. We've sampled other popular emanada trucks and they have nothing on her. There are no emanada trucks in my area. Maybe add other foods down the road.
    We are about to order equipment. The main place that we want to park has a metered 220v and 110v hook ups. I've been going crazy trying to figure out what routes to go on power options.
    Basically:
    Fryer, 110, 220, propane?
    Freezer, 110? I have it already
    Exhaust grease fan, 110v?
    Water heater and system, 12v, 110, propane

    I'm doing most work myself and multi power types seems maybe unnecessary.
    In keeping things simple. I was thinking that the more 110v items I use, the easier it is to plug in somewhere. Including my own driveway. My current generator is not 220v.

    Any thoughts?
    Thanks John
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/07/17 08:33:48 (permalink)
    Picked up a Dean LP 40lb fryer. Slightly used. Came with a filled 40lb LP cylinder and clean up strainer, filters and buckets. Actually came with the box.
    Trailer should be here soon.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/24 13:10:26 (permalink)
    Been busy working on the trailer. Plan on posting pics at some point.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/24 20:47:14 (permalink)
    This site seems to work well for posting pictures to.
    https://postimages.org/
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/24 20:52:03 (permalink)
    At least where I am, using any propane equipment, especially if it is a deep fryer, then means that we need a full pro hood, fan, and fire suppression. All installed by certified pros.
     
    Please check with all departments involved before you attempt a DIY hood.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/24 21:05:25 (permalink)
    I am just finishing up my truck.
    I did the electrical with more outlets than I need.
    I wired it with 12/3 wire and double pole breakers.
     
    Reason 1: I split most of my outlets so each circuit top and bottom are on separate breakers.
    Reason 2: If I need to run a 220 line in the future, all I have to do is change an outlet.
     
    I ran all of my wire behind the walls.
    Way easier for cleaning later.
     
    If you can help it, don't do that.
    Use solid metal conduit instead.
    Way easier to make changes later.
     
    Run 220 to your panel.
    Everything that comes after your panel is then 110.
    Otherwise you might as well just run a bunch of extension cords and a power bar.
     
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/25 07:31:06 (permalink)
    Thanks for the electrical advise. That's one part I'm not tackling. But, I'll bring it all up with the guy.
    The fire Marshall has my email with my intent and questions on air gap, if any, of the hood. If there's a problem with me installing it, hopefully he'll let me know. Just sent the email Friday.
    My stainless walls and ceiling are up, frp on the rest. Floor is down.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/25 17:17:31 (permalink)
    Does this forum host pics?
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/25 19:49:15 (permalink)
    The forum hosts the pics after you post a certain # of posts.
    WAY easier to use the site I mentioned.
     
    Where I am, we deal with Health Dept, Fire Marshall, Fire Commissioner Electrical, Fire Commissioner Gas.
     
    ALL separate departments, NONE of them talk.
    Often they contradict each other.
    NONE of them know or are not allowed to say anything about something that falls under the others jurisdiction.
     
    Hopefully it is easier where you are.
     
    Most AHJ's will reference the NFPA96 for code.
    Often it's all in how they interpret the code.
    And how strictly they decide to adhere to it.
     
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 06:50:02 (permalink)
    Wow, that stinks. So far it seems like they communicate.

    Got a quote for $4700 on fire suppression. That's for 4 nozzles. Not happy about that. It's close by and there aren't many options, but I'm shopping around.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 08:23:36 (permalink)
    I have to figure out a sliding screen for the window. I made one, but I'm not real happy with it.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 08:58:59 (permalink)
    Fire supp here is about the same price.
    Although I did find one place that said could do way better pricing.
    Luckily I am not required to have one.
     
    If you check my build thread you can see I did my own window and awning.
     
    Up here I was looking at 2 to 3 grand to have one made.
    I did it for a couple hundred.
    Lotsa work though.
     
    I am overall pretty happy with it.
    The only part I worry about is the actual sliding screen.
    It's one of those make your own screens from Menards.
    It seems pretty flimsy.
    I might have to get a real one made at some point.
     
     
     
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 09:07:44 (permalink)
    Down there you guys can just get one from home depot or menards for really cheap!
     
    But I'm sure you already know this.
     
    But just in case... check this ( and other ) threads.
     
    paulnye got a screamin deal.
     
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 10:36:50 (permalink)
    Just checked the thread and was also just at Home Depot. I may just buy a horizontal Anderson window.
    My home made screen was one of those make your own screen kits, and mine is flimsy too.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 22:12:31 (permalink)
    I tried postimages.org and can't get any of the HTML links to produce a pic on here.

    <a href=' target='_blank'><img src=' border='0' alt='IMG_0958'/></a>
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 22:30:25 (permalink)
    You may need a minimum number of posts.
     
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/09/26 23:34:06 (permalink)
    In the post image site
    choose the image you want
    top left is a share button
    chose the direct link
    copy the code
     
    then back here 
    chose insert/edit image
    and paste
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/10/15 21:40:30 (permalink)
    Got my sinks all built. I used a 5' stainless table, cut holes for the 3 eBay sinks. Used Class A Customs 10 and 13 gallon water tanks, flojet water pump and an ectotemp 2.5 water heater. For a hand wash sink, I made a steel frame and cover it with stainless. It's all bolted to the side of the table with a splash shield between the two. I'll post pics when I can.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/10/16 00:14:42 (permalink)
    Seems like you are forging ahead.
    Gotta ask the same thing MY hd inspector asked me early on.
    Are those tanks big enough??
     
    My HD inspector said to me.... while there is no "rule" about the size of tank... they like it when they see a minimum 30 gal tank.
    It made me change tanks.
    Also, I had to change hot water tanks.  I had a 2.5 gal.
    He said - again- while there is not "rule" , I am expected to be able to reasonably fill my sinks.
    And if I were to get inspected at say an event, and be out of water.... they shut me down.
     
    In the end, it was frustrating, but I was happy to change things during the build rather than after it was all done.
     
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/10/16 10:16:45 (permalink)
    I talked to the inspector so far, before hand. She questioned the sinks and tanks. But seemed to understand that we're mainly frying frozen food that prepared elsewhere. Hope they keep understanding. Turning in more plans this week.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/10/16 11:51:24 (permalink)
    Great.... just wanted to put it out there.  
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/10/27 14:02:24 (permalink)
    Any idea which way the exhaust fan for the hood is supposed to face? I have no instructions. I have the base installed and the fan can go 4 ways. There's a round pipe sticking out horzontally on one side and the electric box on the other. Just thinking since it's a trailer that there is a proper direction. Thanks
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/10/27 20:19:48 (permalink)
    Hopefully someone else chimes in here.
    I have never installed one.
    But I do have one.
     
    As far as I remember, that pipe is for the grease / moisture, run-off.
    Mine has an elbow and the pipe is pex.
    If I were installing it, I would point it towards the ...  drivers side .... assuming that is the cooking side.
    Then continue that pex line down the side so any runoff would hit the ground.
    Instead of building up on your roof.
     
    In a restaurant situation, they run that pipe to a separate grease trap on the roof that gets cleaned out when you get the system cleaned.
     
    If you wanted to get real fancy, you could run it down the side, and install a grease trap under the truck, and pipe it into there.
    That would be pretty easy.
    They even sell absorbent pads to trap the grease in these things.
    Grease diapers.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/11/01 13:51:36 (permalink)
    I'm meeting with the electrian on Saturday. I'll use his input on the fan. Whatever is easier for him.
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    Re: Another newb, trailer ordered...Hello! 2017/11/01 18:19:52 (permalink)
    Are you using a hinge for the fan to the base??
    I know they do in restaurants.
     
    If so, the hinge should go to the front.
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