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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/06 19:57:20 (permalink)
From what I have read here.
What we all end up with in the end is a bunch of adapters to use at the different events.
 
I had to get this cord that has a standard 50 amp connection for the genny.

 
But it has this end for my outlet on the truck.
 

 
 
My 220 coming from the garage has this box on the end.

 
The other end of the cord is run through my wall, and plugs in to the same plug I use for my welder.
 
It is only wired for 30 amp.
Because at home, I won't be using that much power.
 
BUT
 
You can have 30 amp power coming into your 50 amp set up.
You are just limited to what you can run.
 
But you can't have 50 amp power running into your 30 amp set up.
 
So if you end up at an event with 50 amp power, you are SOL.
 
I have always been taught to think beyond your immediate needs.
 
It is pretty much the same work and only a few $$ extra to build it all for a 50 amp.
You will use the same panel ( or close ).
You only need to go up 1 size of wire.
 
Then you have more capacity.
 
You don't want to have to change it after.
What if you need to run 220 appliances??
 
This is the same thinking for why I ran 12/3 wire and split my outlets.
WAY more capacity than I should need.
Plus I can turn my outlet into a 220 in 5 minutes, if I get some 220 appliance down the road.
 
But hey that's just me.
You do what you think is best for you.
Just givin you my thoughts.
 
BTW I like those predators too.
I wish they would a 7000 watt version so I could buy those instead of Honda's.
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/11/06 19:59:48
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/06 21:31:06 (permalink)
I was attempting to look at the 50amp power inlet box youve refereenced and even provided the sku for that I have manually typed in to the dot ca version of home depots website and the descriptions/price/etc for that item all all empty, no price, and wont let me buy it. I figured it may be discontinued or such. May have to call the hotline. The 30amp version it lets me buy but I dont mind buying the 50 to save future headaches if it doesnt complicate the "now" install
 
Wiring basics is a little rusty in my head I need to brush up on it. Im fairly young so I have limited experience with wiring. I did rewire my garage panel when I moved in and ran new wire for the lights/switches/recepetacles and added the 220v plug for my welder before I insulated the place. But Im fuzzy on it. 
 
Where Im getting lost a bit is the predators only provide 110v from a 3 prong 30amp RV style connector. (not as manly as the beast of a genset Ive seen your vids on) The power inlet box for a 50amp I believe is a 4 prong, isnt that only for 220v? I figured I would need a 3 prong 30amp connector on my power inlet box aswell for the 110v the preds provide. Which would feed the breaker panel 110v to the top. And if I so pleased I could wire a receptacle  using 2 legs of the box for a 220v receptacle. Splittings the outlets as you mentionned it (not clear on this practice)
 
As for powerring the truck with a standard household 3 prong extension cord when at home, on a standard 15 or 20 amp dedicated breaker'd outlet. I assumed I could just use a nice thick extension cord with regular house 3 prong on one end, with an adaptor to an RV style 3 prong on the power inlet box end. Am I crazy? 

I could easily make a cord for home using my 220v welder outlet, but I believe the breaker box inside the truck would have to be wired to accept 220v from the power inlet box, which doesnt seem to jive with the 110v the predators would be feeeding the breaker panel when they are in use.
 
See where Im a bit confuzzled.??
 
I did a rough layout of my trucks floor plan and Im actually surprised how much "wall" space there is, atleast on paper, the 14' box looks like I have ample room for my simple planned design. I figured I would fill the areas that arent fridge/sinks/refridgerated prep table with lots of counter space / prep space. As I figure that will be a premium if I ever want to buy an electric griddle, or hot dog steamer, or just get busy and need o searzall 6 servings at once lol. Just saying, I thought it was going to be a lot more cramped, first time Ive took to scale measurements and laid them out to see how theyd fit. 
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/06 22:37:25 (permalink)
Firstly you can get it on amazon if you really want it.
 
Even when I bought it, it was on the HD site one day and gone the next.
Must be something to do with availability.
The same thing with the extention cord.
 
I ended up having to get it when I went to the usa because it was not on the home depot site for a long time.
 
Know that although it was listed cULus  or csa approved..... it is not. It is only UL approved.
But my inspector was ok with it.
 
I have to apologize to you, because I have been only been looking at generators that had 220 connections.
I had not even realized that many genny's only have 110v connections.
 
I don't have a lot of experience with electrical.
I learn as I go.
I use youtube a lot.
I ask other smarter people.
 
I'm not sure how to set it up with a 110 connection.
I would have to research it.
 
I did most of my layout stuff with painters tape.
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/07 00:09:15 (permalink)
Ok, with this diagram I found, I think I grasp the way way it needs to be wired.
Like an RV, not like a garage.

 
I'm wondering if THIS is the kind of panel you need?
 
 
Makes a little bit of sense to me now.
But I would have to see inside that panel to know for sure.
You should check it out at your local home depot.
 
Hope I'm on the right path.
 
Might help if you talked to an electrician.
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/07 00:15:06 (permalink)
Research I will do. There just aren't many people out there having nice open conversations like this it seems. Thank you for the amazon link.
 
Ive got what I want to use for water tanks sorted, just the black abs tanks on amazon, price is right and there profile seems great to fit under sink, going to have to source that large bulkhead for the drain collector and do the cut to the top of the tank mod you did aswell.
 
I think Ive got the basics sorted here. Time to make a decision on what I want to use for floors and wall covering. id love to avoid using any wood at all, just seems inevitable to get wet with a riveted truck body sitting outside. Confirm its good with the health and fire depts. And run with installing both of those for a while.
 
 
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/07 00:15:54 (permalink)
Just noticed you posted again but Ive gotta get back to work, Ill check it out on lunch, thanks brother!!
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/07 03:21:15 (permalink)
I to tried to avoid as much wood as possible.
In the end it seemed inevitable.
But I still did a fire proofing paint on all of it.
 
The truck does not leak so far.
I hope it stays that way.
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/07 06:27:03 (permalink)
Here's my sink

No link sorry
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/07 21:09:16 (permalink)
Went to my local home depot today because I know there is a very knowledgeable older man that always works the electrical section and I intended to hopefully have a conversation with him but was met with a younger fella instead who was not familiar with the idea, he luckily mentionned my pal will be back on friday though. So I will likely discuss there options on the panel there.
 
Speaking of electrical. Any reason why I shouldnt buy a 25 foot cord to go from the generators to the inlet box?? I prefer this white version for some reason, yellow bugs me. And they actually want LESS for the 25ft vs the 12ft, very marginal price difference, but if I keep most of the 25' coiled up and only use what I need, would it be any more of a convienience or unconvienient to have more or less cable you guys think??
 
Darn auto admin for this site eeps deleting my links. Sorry
ParkPower 30ARVIW Weekender Power Inlet - 30A, WhiteConntek Marine Shore Power 10/3 30-Amp Cordset with Light Indicator, White, 25-Feet 
Confirmed both these pieces are CUL and CSA listed.
 
Time for work cheers
 
post edited by KrackerKev - 2017/11/07 21:13:11
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/08 14:24:38 (permalink)
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/08 14:25:32 (permalink)
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/08 14:26:25 (permalink)
Yeah I'm trying to post links. Oh well
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/08 16:50:07 (permalink)
Is the black unit in the middle bottom before the pump some sort of sediment filter.? Also is your drain manifold piece at the back where they all meet on top of the white elbow a custom one off made by you?

The grey tanks drain spigot you added is similar to what I'd like to do, no issues with any inspector's?
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/08 17:36:51 (permalink)
The black thing is just a filter. Flojet says it voids the warranty without one. Tractor Supply stocks them.
The drain funel looking thing is a one off. I glued a larger diameter adapter on top. It's sometime hard to find adapters for what you know you want to do. So you make them.
The NSF tanks are all from Class A Customs. I recommend them.
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/08 17:44:25 (permalink)
410John
Yeah I'm trying to post links. Oh well

I think you need 35 posts.
 
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/09 07:09:02 (permalink)
This is my 32nd post!
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Re: Attempting to DIY myself into business ownership. First Build 2017/11/09 20:36:34 (permalink)
Guess we will have to mature our presence here a bit before posting links. I put a new exhaust on the truck today, nothing crazy just standard from the catalytic and back. Couple coats of high temp black and should be good for a few years
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