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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/01 20:26:10 (permalink)
I assumed they would be leaned on.
 
Here is the set up.
 
2 shelves.
Each about 40 inches long and 11 inches wide. 1/4 inch thick aluminum.
Each one has 3 folding and locking support brackets.
ALL of the edges have been rounded and smoothed out to prevent any sharp areas.
The white strip along the length is a foam strip to cover the bottoms of the rivets.
Safety first people!!
Heck I even smoothed the edges of the phillips head screws because I thought they were a little sharp.
I could just hear my old man in the back of my head, nagging me about every possible little thing! :)

 
The lip all around it is made from the 1/4 thick aluminum beams from inside the truck.

They create the lip around the perimeter of the shelf.
And also create strong support below.
The brackets are bolted through the shelves and these beams.
Hopefully that's enough strength.
 
They fold up pretty good when not in use.

 
On the inside I used ( re used ) these nylon bushing that were mounted all over the truck.
They are about 1/2 in thick.
and were a prefect match for the placement of the bolts.

 
I HOPE thats enough support
Still might put in a couple of eye bolts just in case its not enough and I need to run some aircraft cable.
The self tapper were just for good measure.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/01 23:12:28 (permalink)
Whats going to keep the shelves from bouncing around while going down the road?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/01 23:58:18 (permalink)
I have rubber tie downs that were also inside the truck.
I'm going to re purpose those.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/02 07:46:01 (permalink)
Looks great, well thought out. I'm going to use a bungee to secure our table during transport. I have driven down the road without one, and no bounce... however Oklahoma roads are some of the worst. Have thought about a folding table next to truck during service for customers to "dress" up thier meal and keep the window area flowing?? Any thoughts on this?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/02 10:30:20 (permalink)
Here is a shot of the bands I am using.
It's made of bungee material.
It was used to support the shelves that were in the truck.
( wish THOSE came with the truck )

 
Did a test fit yesterday, have to do a small mod.
But at least I get to re-use more stuff.
 
Lots of people around here use a side table as well.
All depends on how much you have for extras.
For a $25 table, it's worth it.
 
I just want everything possible attached to the truck.
I hate the idea of stuff constantly rolling around back there while en route.
 
Once I had the shelves done, I did some work on the inside.
There was one shelf ( factory ) that was still in there.
Up near the ceiling. ( weird )
About 3x4 ft. 1/4 inch thick aluminum.
It will get re purposed for something.
 
I actually thought of doing a a table with it.
But again, I would like it mounted. So I need some pretty big brackets.  Not sure yet.
Won't really know what my needs are until I can get rolling.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/02 19:09:37 (permalink)
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Here is a shot of the bands I am using.
It's made of bungee material.
It was used to support the shelves that were in the truck.
( wish THOSE came with the truck )

 
Did a test fit yesterday, have to do a small mod.
But at least I get to re-use more stuff.
 
Lots of people around here use a side table as well.
All depends on how much you have for extras.
For a $25 table, it's worth it.
 
I just want everything possible attached to the truck.
I hate the idea of stuff constantly rolling around back there while en route.
 
Once I had the shelves done, I did some work on the inside.
There was one shelf ( factory ) that was still in there.
Up near the ceiling. ( weird )
About 3x4 ft. 1/4 inch thick aluminum.
It will get re purposed for something.
 
I actually thought of doing a a table with it.
But again, I would like it mounted. So I need some pretty big brackets.  Not sure yet.
Won't really know what my needs are until I can get rolling.


Those look like the hold down straps they used to used on Jeep hoods and inside engine covers in most step vans.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/02 19:11:52 (permalink)
Hey Blakkmoon, if you ever decide to move to Florida, I would hire you and your skills in a heartbeat. No more SNOW or bitter cold. We could really compliment each other. Serious.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/03 09:11:14 (permalink)
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Those look like the hold down straps they used to used on Jeep hoods and inside engine covers in most step vans.

 
Definitely similar to the ones on jeeps.
 
There are other ones that hold down the hood on this van that are even nicer, because they have a snap closure that locks.
I snagged this pic from a site that carries replacement parts.
It's nice to know that I can get stuff if I need to.

 
 
 
And yeah, thanks, Florida would be nice!
 
I think I have mentioned before, one of my oldest friends moved from here down to Ocalla about 10 years ago.
He gives me chit all the time because I still have not been able to visit.
 
And me.. yup  .... total sun worshiper.
Love the weather in LA and Vegas.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/05 00:19:06 (permalink)
Here is a shot of the shelves with the tie downs installed.
Only had to do a small mod to make them work nice.
 

 

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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/05 00:46:58 (permalink)
I am not yet sure who is more insane....
Me for trying to dismantle this back door, or the my wife for not questioning me ( at all ) when i ask her to grab her car keys and wallet, and stand ready to go to the hospital if this goes sideways.
She even grabbed a big towel on the way out the door....just in case there was blood.
And no, it would not have been our first trip.
 
Luckily, it all went smoothly. Rather boring in the end.
 
But I was taking out a roll up door. They are pretty dangerous. Better to be prepared.
 
The first thing to do was get something to hold the door if it decided to let go.
I used a ladder and a cargo bar to hold it in place.

 
 
The next step was to release the tension on the wires.
With the door up, there is the least amount of tension on the springs.
Then I needed to remove the cotter pins that hold the wires in place.
THIS was the scary part. You never know HOW much tension there is.
I didn't even know if taking out the cotter pins was going to release the tension.
It did.

 
 
The pin shot like a bullet across the truck.  The wire unraveled.
Now for the other side.
No blood.

It actually release ALL of the tension. So I didn't have to fight with the springs.
I let the door down as best as I could.
The thing must weigh 200 pounds.
It wasn't until it was down, that I realized that unlike a regular garage door that has nuts and bolts holding the hinges on, that I saw that there is only RIVETS!!
I really hate rivets.

 
The outer hinges that hold the rollers were a little better.
At  least there were nuts to remove the roller retainer.

 
 
I got those off and slid out the rollers.

 
 
With the hinges all being riveted on, the door sections did NOT come apart.

 
 
The door was being held back by the lock system.
I needed to crawl UNDER the door and take my scissor lift

 and jack the thing up high enough to clear locks.

Only then could it all be removed from the tracks.
 
The tracks are all mounted by .... you guessed it ....rivets.
 
Spent the rest of the day, grinding off the bloody rivets to get the track system out.
The lower part ( that was against the wall ) was the worst part.
I'm still not sure how it was all attached, but I spent a few hours with the plasma cutter to get it out.
 
I'm pretty sure, this was the toughest job so far.
 
Tomorrow, I can start installing the new back doors.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/05 14:05:03 (permalink)
I dismantled my roll up door while it was down. Having worked on overhead doors before I have a home made tool to release spring tension. Once tension is released I then start with the top section and drill out the rivets on that section and then remove that piece. Repeating those steps all the way down section by section.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/05 15:36:54 (permalink)
That would have worked.
But I was trying to keep the door intact.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/05 22:32:45 (permalink)
WOO HOO !!
Back doors are installed!
Only took a few hours.
Not PERFECT... but pretty darn good.
They will be just fine.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/05 23:51:19 (permalink)
Ummm pictures??
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/06 00:13:54 (permalink)
It was dark by the time I got home from the test drive to make sure nothing would spring open or rattle loose...
But there is not really much to see.
Its just blank white metal.
The doors were just to replace the roll up door that I had to remove.
 
But if you really want pics, I can post some tomorrow....  
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/06 10:04:20 (permalink)
Here ya go Nosh...  
 
Day 2 of the doors.
 
It actually went pretty easy.  WAY easier than taking out the old one.
Of course I had already been building the doors over the last couple of weeks.
All I had to do was set them in place, drill holes, add nuts &amp; bolts.
No real drama.
 

 
Added some spring loaded latches on the inside top, and some big self tapper bolts for stoppers.
The self tapping bolts that I used for stoppers and the gold colored self tappers holding the latches are re-used. 
I have a pile of them that were holding different parts on the inside of the truck.
 

 
I re-used more of the nice nylon plates for backers behind the hinge and behind the spring loaded latches.
 

 
You can see the crappy lookin stuff to the left of the nylon plate.
That's where I had to plasma cut out all the material.
 
It was aluminum c - channel, that seems to be welded to the back wall.
The back wall/body wraps around it on the right side.
Then it also had steel angle that was glued and riveted to the c - channel, creating a double layered ( on one side ) box.
Then the door track was spot welded to the steel.
 
I am SO thankful that my buddy Dave has a nice plasma cutter!!!
 
Now I just need to add some weather stripping.
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/05/06 10:12:15
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/06 16:37:15 (permalink)
Fantastic looking work again. Are you keeping track of all your costs? Would be curious to see what this cost you to do. 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/06 22:30:47 (permalink)
Nice job. Might want to put a adjustable door opening lock on then so you can prop the door open during service.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/07 00:17:15 (permalink)
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Nice job. Might want to put a adjustable door opening lock on then so you can prop the door open during service.


HD usually doesnt like doors propped open without a screen door in its place. Flys and such love the warm moist atmosphere of a kitchen. Maybe not such a problem in the frozen north but down here flys are the size of birds and skeeters are the size of small dogs
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/07 01:05:43 (permalink)
The doors will only open for loading the equipment.
And for doing the work to finish the truck.
Or future major equipment changes.
 
It was really just to get the roll up door and the associated tracks out.
The HD doesn't like those.
We have to have screens on EVERYTHING here.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/08 00:43:07 (permalink)
Well this just sux...
Usually it's easy to make something smaller...
 
It was time to test fit my waste tank.
I kept everything I could out of the 1st truck, hoping to use it.
The waste tank is 21.5 inches wide.
The space underneath the truck I have now is 19.5 inches wide.
 
Tomorrow I will see if I can use the stainless fresh tank that was from the old truck.
So far, it LOOKS like it should fit.
It meets the HD requirements of 15% larger than the fresh.
 
If it fits, great.
But then I have to figure out how to mount outlets and inlets.
It's stainless, maybe weld something to it?
May try some JB weld and some abs fittings??
Dunno yet...
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/09 16:21:29 (permalink)
Hi, Blakkmoon! I see your truck has the same roof like mine - very flexible. What are you gonna do with ventilation system? Are you gonna use that big roof exhaust fan like this 
or may be shutter mounted exhaust fan inside of hood- is ok?  like this one

I cannot deside what I need. What do you think?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/09 19:16:37 (permalink)
I am pretty sure that I am going with door #2.
I will hang on to my mushroom fan, just in case the HD decides to change their minds.
 
But seeing as I am not REQUIRED to have it...
I will avoid the ugly mushroom and the extra engineering needed to put that monstrosity up there.
 
I only have ONE fan to put through the wall.  
But it's supposed to be 1300 CFM.
The kitchen is only 78 cubic feet.
 
So that should be plenty.
 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/09 20:44:54 (permalink)
So here's where I sit with the tanks..
 
It seems that I am building up quite a stockpile of them.
I have:
16 gal fresh - the 1st one I ordered way back when this stupidity began.
30 gal fresh - i just got a month or 2 ago because the local HD said i needed bigger.
47 gal waste - salvaged from truck #1 - that will not fit under truck #2
35 gal STAINLESS (nice) fresh - salvaged from truck #1 - that also will not fit under truck #2
 
Options:
order another tank - say 21 gal fresh - to use as grey - at least $200
And mount it along with the 16 gal fresh - to use as grey 
 
use the 47 gal and mount it INSIDE the truck
like this

 
The sink was going to be mounted above the tanks anyway.
I just need to rethink how I do it.
Build a different set up.
 
So far it looks like it would only raise the sink a couple of inches higher than the original plan.
And the top tank is 4 inches narrower than the bottom.
So there should be enough room for plumbing.
 
I had to put all new fittings in the tanks anyway, so I would just have to re think them.
 
The plus to this method, is that the tank will be much better insulated.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/09 23:23:06 (permalink)
This stacking method is the one i have used for years now. Easier, safer, used to mount black tanks under floor and without fail they would get holes from road gravel spraying on them all day. we have alot of gravel on all our roads around here. HD could not find any problem with doing them this way, so that is the method we use. I never pay more than $50 for a tank. Always seem to fit with no problem under the sinks. We also put the counter for the sinks at 36" most of the time. We use the concession type drop in sinks. for all 4. 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/10 00:38:05 (permalink)
Thanks, I often wondered how long a tank would last if there is no shielding.
 
$200 was the STARTING price.  I was told to think closer to 5 or 600. IF they could find the size I need.
If I were making a trip to the USA again, I could get it way cheaper.
I couldn't even get a used POS around here for $50.
 
I still have the sink from the 1st truck.
I am hoping it all goes well and I can use that.
I don't mind if the sink has to be a few inches higher.
This is pretty close to the sink I have.

 
My plan will be to hack the legs off to make room for the tanks.
I will just weld up a framework for all of it, including supporting the sink.
 
Besides, any day that I get to weld, is a good day.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/10 08:23:53 (permalink)
If you can mount your grey underneath I think you should do it for added space inside, space is always at a premium. My tanks have been hanging underneath my concession trailer for over 10 years with no problem, good for another 10 years and that includes hitting plenty of road kill on my trips. 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/10 08:51:34 (permalink)
Well since BOTH of my greys are going to hang underneath in front & back of right rear tire....means I better put a rock guard to protect them.... Trip to NAPA to get big truck mud flaps and cut em down to fit. I really don't want to have to patch tanks due our crappy roads!
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/10 20:39:16 (permalink)
I did the test fit with the sink today.
Not bad.
 
I was planning to mount the fresh tank INSIDE the truck UNDER the sink anyway.
Nothing else would really go there.
So stacking the two only means that I have to alter the height of the sink a bit.
 
Did a mock up, and the top of the sink sits at about 39 inches.
Same as the counter in Inferno's truck.
A little high, but overall not bad.
It actually felt pretty good.
It meant not having to bend down into the sink.
 
I think I can live with it.
 
Did my mock up of the work space/counters on the opposite side as well.
The height is at about 38 inches.
 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/05/10 20:55:42 (permalink)
BTW 
Read an interesting article on ventalation.
 
https://www.todayshomeowner.com/how-to-calculate-kitchen-range-hood-fan-size/
 
Down in the comments section, someone posted that it is for commercial set ups.
Ding Ding Ding....   winner winner.
 
 I did up a simple calculator based on the article.
 
http://blakkmoon.com/?page_id=4114
 
 
 
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