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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/07 23:42:58 (permalink)
OUCH!  Yeah mine was easy!
Your story reminds me of when of when I renovated the house, and the wife wanted the popcorn ceiling gone.
You are SUPPOSED to be able to just scrape it.
But the previous owners painted it.
I clocked over 80 hours of sanding and filling and re-sanding.
 
Stupidest thing I did by far.
Shoulda just bought 1/4 inch drywall!  
 
I finished screwing down the floor today after work.
Tomorrow, I do the final test fit of the equipment.
Which of course mean loading everything into the truck.
 
At least it will LOOK likes its done ... for a while.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/08 08:35:35 (permalink)
[quote=Blakkmoom
"I finished screwing down the floor today after work.
Tomorrow, I do the final test fit of the equipment.
Which of course mean loading everything into the truck.
 
At least it will LOOK likes its done ... for a while."

Good deal! We hope to finish up all the loose ends over next week and be able to call it done.... Here's hoping for an end of a long overdue project.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/08 09:36:41 (permalink)
oh no
not done yet
this is just the final TEST fit
have to make sure everything is in the right place before i continue
still lots of work to go
 
but at least there is a light...
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/13 00:08:52 (permalink)
Ultimate in laziness?
Or efficiency?
 
I'm not the kind of person that can sketch it out and measure stuff and just drill a hole and have it work.
I have to physically place stuff where I want it to go, test it, re do it, double and triple check...
I was using my little scissor lift to get my waste tanks lined up so I knew where to drill the mounting holes.
SO glad I bought that thing - great tool.
 
And my back was already killing me.
So I placed the drill on the lift, squeezed the trigger and lifted it up a little at a time.
 
Worked great. Kinda like an upside down drill press.
Got all my mounting holes drilled.
Got my drain holes drilled out too.
 

 
 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/17 00:43:21 (permalink)
So for my drains from the sinks and into the waste tanks, I decided not to use 3 inch bulkhead fittings that I had seen done elsewhere.
It seemed kind of pointless to be using standard 1 1/2 pipe on all the drains and then have to go UP in size to a 3 inch pipe.
It would certainly not benefit me in any way.
Plus those bulkhead fittings are really pricey. ( $30 ish )
 
Instead I chose to use shower drains.
They are pretty much the same thing.
With a 2 inch opening. And they were only $8.00 a piece.
 

 
The white top just pops off.
 

 
I chose the style with a ribbed rubber inner part instead of the straight glue on style.
I figured that it would allow for some movement and flexibility.
 
Drilled out with a standard hole saw.
 

 
Nice fit.
 

 
I did the same thing on the underside for a drain.
 
To be able to tighten the big nut, it was necessary to cut a bigger hole in the top of the tank so I could reach in.
I cut it part way with a large hole saw.
Then more with a box cutter.
 
 

 
 
I wish I could remember where I read how to do it this way, so I could give them credit.
I know it was here on this forum.
It worked great, and I'm glad I did it this way.
 
Make sure NOT to cut all the way around so that it did not fall into the tank.
That made it easier to re- glue it later.
 

 
Once it was done, I just siliconed it back together.
 

 
There should be no pressure or water weight on the top of the tank, so it should be fine.
 
Started to work on my nice 38 gallon stainless steel tank that I salvaged from the old truck.
Turns out it had a great big crack along the bottom on a corner.
 
I found a local guy who does repair work on RV's who is getting me in a new plastic tank for about $160.
 
Sure I could have tried to weld it.
But I don't have a tig welder, so I would have to pay someone to try to fix it.
Welders around here are gettin over $100 an hour. So ....no.
Plus it's an old tank, so the chances of it lasting any length of time....
 
I have to make some changes in order to use the new tank, but whatever...  as long as it works.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/20 22:35:04 (permalink)
Finally got to spend the day at home working on the truck.
Made some good progress.
Got the darn waste tanks installed !! WOO HOO !!
 
I had kept the nice big stainless steel fresh tank from the 1st truck.
Thought I could re use it.
WRONG!  Big crack in it.  The corner seam let go.
 
Tried shopping around locally here.
They want $450 - $675 for a 35 to 40 gallon fresh tank.  No joke.
Plus at least a weeks wait.
 
Managed to find a guy who said he could get me one at a much better price.  
DONE !! Order it!
 
That was Friday.
Today is Tue.
He phones  ....   I'm thinking WOO HOO my tank is in already.
Not so much..
 
Turns out he can't get it for 3 to 4 weeks!!  Fur Frank Sakes!!
 
Well If I have to pay $500 or $600 and still wait over a week to get it from the other guys...  F- that!
 
Looks like it's road trip time.
 
I COULD just run down to the boarder.
But next weekend is a long weekend.
Might as well take a couple of days at least and make it a decent road trip.
 
At least the waste tanks are in.
 
 
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/06/21 00:24:42
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/21 00:44:31 (permalink)
looking good. I cant wait until your done..
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/22 23:48:22 (permalink)
Well over all this is going to work out nicely.
We get a road trip... which we desperately need!
 
And I decided to order a bunch more stuff from ebay, amazon, sams club.
( Other than the tank)
 
That I was not really to the point of needing quite yet.
But I would eventually need it once I get up and rolling.
( then I would have to buy it locally )
 
So I am saving over $1200 by getting it now.
 
The hotel is even letting me ship some stuff there.
 
It's so easy for you guys down there.
Lots of places WON'T ship up here.
Or if they do, shipping is more than the item itself.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/23 20:20:20 (permalink)
FINALLY got to do my 1st experiment with a generator.
 
Yeah yeah, I know.  Shut up and get a Honda....
 
If you have been reading along, you know I would if I could.
But up here in the great white north, the price tag is $4800 ish. ( current pricing )  Plus 13% tax.
And I need TWO of them, PLUS a parallel kit.
So when it's all said and done, I am looking at about $11500.00
Just not feasible right now.
 
But I still want as quiet as possible.
 
Sure I have read all I can all over the net, but for ME, there is just no substitute for actual hands on.
 
I was finally able to hook up with a friend and borrow a generator.
 
Experiment #1 was so successful I almost pooped my pants!!
 
Did up a quick exhaust with an old muffler and some gas pipe I had kicking around.
Then did some experimenting with different materials.
 
Tried both white and pink Styrofoam insulation.
It does almost nothing.
 
Then I moved on to Roxull insulation.  WOW!
Pretty much pieced together a layer of Roxull around the genny.
And placed some plywood to simulate a box.
 
HOLY CRAPOLI bartman !
 
Without any thing around it, it was at 81 db, and I could not hear myself think.
With some Roxull and some plywood, I got it down to 67 DB.
 
And I am measuring at 4 or 5 feet away, not 23 feet.
What the hell good does 23 feet do??
 
Anyway, me and the wife stood 4 feet away and could talk at a normal level.
And this was just some insulation and boards.
 
I know I can get it quieter once I build a proper enclosure and button it all up.
And yes.... I had a 400 cfm fan sucking air across it and an opening at the opposite end to bring air IN.
 
I know I can do this now.
I am so pleased with me !!
 
I took some video of before and after for comparison.
 
It still seems louder in the video than it seemed in real life.
But the difference is still very noticeable.
 
 
before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEA-J4GeMs
 
 
 
after:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzqR2T4v_EQ
 
 
Plus I learned that the majority of the noise is coming from the INTAKE.
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/06/23 20:44:10
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/27 00:32:07 (permalink)
I was reading reese77 ' s thread on that build.
 
And how he used this bulkhead fitting for the waste tank. 

 
He goes on to say   -
The bulkhead is long enough to fit inside the tank and up through the floor so that it can be tightened/bolted to the floor.
 
I could not have done that even if I were to use THAT fitting.
Because of the ribs under the body of the truck.
From the top of the tank to the top of my floor was just over 5 inches.
 
I learned this today, as I tried to get the 2 inch pipe through the floor and into the opening of the fitting I used.
 
Because I chose to use a fitting that was ribbed rubber on the inside instead of the glue on style, I thought this would be easy.
 
NOT A CHANCE!!
 
I ended up having to pull out both tanks that I just finished installing.
 
What a PITA !
 
Oh well, had to be done.
 
Holes were not perfect, but it will all be covered up later.
This is all that is sticking above the floor of an 8.5 inch long pipe.

 
I am using flexible rubber connectors to connect to the sink drains.
This allows for the entire drain system to move.
Which I think is super important in a truck.
I think NOT doing this would be as crazy as putting solid copper pipe instead of pex.
 

 
Here is a shot of the rear tank from below.
This time I remembered to double nut all the threaded rods top AND bottom.
 

 
I also did a 1.5 in drop towards the drains.
Still need to finish the exit plumbing.
 
And did ya notice???
Some dumbass put the drain on the INSIDE part of the tank.  Towards the middle of the truck.
Not a biggie, but  duhhhh!
 
I was only marginally dumb.
The front tank is in the right spot.
 
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/06/28 20:40:33
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/28 05:08:40 (permalink)
looking good. please show allot of pictures of the drainage plumbing. because I'm still undecided on how to do it myself.   keep up the great work.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/28 20:22:39 (permalink)
I was already woke up at 3 am to order more stuff on Amazon.
Trying to sleep, thinking .... Amazon Prime... Free 2 day shipping.....
Yeah, yeah, it'll be there in time..
 
Needing some new bushings and front end stuff.
Can't believe outer tie rod ends ...  locally will run me $145.00 for the cheap no name ones.
Amazon  .. I'm getting Moog tie rod ends for about $30.00 and free 2 day shipping. UN freaking real.
 
Kinda like the water filler door I wanted..


 
Locally just over $100.00  !!!!   WTF?
Ebay - $20 - free delivery.
 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/28 20:38:30 (permalink)
So thank you kreativekvs209
 
You got me thinking about how I was going to do my system.
I WAS just going to do a 90 degree bend out the bottom of the tank and add one of these on the end.

Mainly because of price.
 
Locally, I can ONLY get a 3 inch waste valve.
And the price is about $80.00
 
But you got my brain juice flowin, and I thought... hhmmm Amazon...
 
And wouldn't ya know it.
EXACTLY what I wanted. For about $12.00 and free 2 day shipping!!
 

 
Here is the link .
 
So now I will come out the bottom of the tank, do a 90 bend and then connect to the dump valve.
 
 
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/06/28 20:43:00
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/06/28 21:13:49 (permalink)
I used 2 of those bladex dump valves to a coupler and cap, per the HD here. Had to be able to "cap" it, and hose it to a sanitary drain.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/04 20:54:08 (permalink)
Never saw any mention of this in all the stuff that I have read.
Maybe it's just that nobody said anything about it.
 
We all insulate the trucks.
And I know all trucks are different.
But many are like mine and have the beams in the walls.
 
Does anyone ever insulate INSIDE those beams?
 
We all put the batts of insulation between the beams, then cover it all up.
But those beams are hollow.
Mine are a full 2 x 4 inches.
That's a pretty big air space.
 
So while I was picking up my stuff in Minneapolis this past weekend, I grabbed some cans of spray foam.
Cause it's a third of the price at Menards.
 
Today I drilled a few holes and spray foamed inside all the beams.
Don't know how much difference it will make.  Maybe none.
But it can't hurt.  Cost all of $30.
 

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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/11 22:53:14 (permalink)
So I think this is mistake # 896.
 
This is what happens when you are in a rush.
And because I just don't know a lot of stuff.
 
I ordered this thing for my tank dump.

 
Then I realized that to make use of it, I need the waste hose and stuff.
I was able to pick this stuff up while I was in Minneapolis, so no biggie.

 
Course then I realized that I needed to cap the thing.
So I grabbed a couple of caps.
All of this stuff is 3 inch.
 
So I figured I grabbed a 2 inch to 3 inch coupler from Home Depot.
 
I am trying to put it together today......  did not go well.
 
NOW I realize that I got the wrong thing from the start.
 
All I got was the darn valve.
I need the part that has the fittings on both ends as well.
Like this.

At least it has the caps come with it.
 
All is good now.
Thank you Amazon.
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/07/11 22:54:17
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/12 01:40:10 (permalink)
This is what will be required by most health departments. They don't want waste dripping in the roadway. One county that I worked in required water from melted ice in the soda coolers to be dumped into the waste tank. They considered this grey water. My head spun on this. It was good enough to cool pop cans that people are drinking from but couldn't be poured on the ground.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/12 10:46:47 (permalink)
I know every ADJ has their own rules.
I wanted to try and make this as standardized and easy as possible. ( yeah right ! )
 
Here is the clip directly from our HD rules regarding this.
 
All MFSEs must be equipped with a wastewater storage tank that has a direct connection to all sink drains, unless otherwise approved by a Public Health Inspector.
Wastewater tank must be permanently attached to MFSEs.
The wastewater storage tank must be of a capacity at least 15% larger than the vehicle’s water storage tank
All wastewater must be disposed of into a municipal or other approved wastewater collection system.
 
And that's it.
NO further information.
 
Oh well, I know it will be done right now.
And I only wasted $25 on the wrong stuff.  ( I have done worse )
Maybe I can sell em.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/16 00:27:07 (permalink)
Keep thinking I can do things in some kinda order.
But too many things seem to turn out....
Well you need to do a b c
But cant do b till you do j
and then you need to look at p
then go back to c
So just pounding away trying to get as much done as possible, without having to double back.
 
So for you kreativekvs209
 
I got the drainage plumbing done today.
Much easier once you have the proper parts.
Amazon delivered my new waste valves in a couple days.
 
As I was studying this stuff, I kept seeing pictures and videos of RV's with waste valves just kinda hanging there, attached to the tank, but not supported in any way. 
Like this...

 
Seriously??
Is this normal?
 
Anyway, I wanted some support.
 
I used a piece of the body that I had saved from when I cut a hole, and made a bracket.

 
It fits the factory holes on the valve.
 

 
Did a bunch of dry fit tests before finally gluing the plumbing together.
 

 
Finally set everything in place.
 

 
Drilled a couple of holes through the body, to match the bracket and riveted it in place.
 

 
This is the rear tank.
I first thought that I cut the hole on the wrong side of the tank, that it should have been closer to the OUTSIDE of the truck body.
So when I did the front tank, I made hole closer to outside of the body.
 
The rear one went just perfect, no problems.
 
The front one was nothing but trouble.
The drain hole being so close to the outside gave me NO leeway at all.
Everything is super close.
Had to re do the bracket about 5 times.
And still not happy with it.
But its in.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/16 00:30:13 (permalink)
The front bumper was pretty ugly and rough.
Did not even know how bad it was till I got it off.
Rusted right through.
 

 
 
My brother had bumper lying around that fit not too bad.
 
Had to weld up some new brackets, but it works.
 

 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/16 00:36:15 (permalink)
Got some work done on the inside as well.
 
Finally ran my air vent for the front grey tank.
 
It runs up inside the body, and exits near the roof.
 
I used some pex tubing and unions that were salvaged from the previous truck.
 

 
As it exits out the top, I used a 90 degree union.

Cut a hole in the wall, ran the threaded part outside, and cut some screen to go over the hole, and put on the fitting.
 

 
Bead of silicone, and we were done.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/16 00:42:04 (permalink)
Took forever to figure out where to put the fresh tank filler.
Kinda all depended on the final placement and set up of the fresh tank.
 
Musta have struggled with this one a dozen times.
Not entirely happy with where is it going, but I can live with it.
 
It ends up just to the right of the service window.
Had to turn it sideways to fit between the factory support beams.
 

 
 
here is the inside view.
 

 
The fresh tank is getting mounted just below the serving window.
It will be enclosed in a box.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/16 00:51:54 (permalink)
Built the platform that the big ass stainless table I got will go on to of.
 
Yeah, I thought about just doing legs, but them I gotta try to clean under there.
Its not like the space would get used for anything.
 
My floors have to be coved up a minimum 4 inches.
This platform is 5.5 inches.
So my flooring will just go up the platform.
 

 
 
I structured a channel into the platform for my 8 x 8 intake vent.
 
This will give me a fresh air intake that should end up about 8 inches of the floor in front of the cooking area, and just about directly below the hood and fan.
 

I will just fill the rest of the empty cavities with insulation.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/16 00:57:14 (permalink)
I hate the thought of using any wood.
Especially after gutting nearly 1000 pounds of wood out of the first truck.
 
But some times you just need the structure to be able to secure other stuff that will be going in.
 
Anywhere that there is any wood, it gets coated with fire resistant paint.
And even the paint is recycled.  I got it from a buddy who was tossing it because he had a bunch left over after a reno.
Just mix in the handy dandy fire resistant coating ( that was bought at the habitat re-store ) ... and bob's ye uncle.
 

 
I used no nails, but decided to drive in screws from the out side as well.
 
I used the ones that are used for doing metal roofs.
They are color matched, grab in the wood really nice, and are self sealing with the rubber grommet.
 

 
And in keeping with my theme of recycling / up-cycling as much as possible....
 
All of the wood on the walls, and in the platform, used to be my brothers front porch.
 
I'm sure I have just saved a baby whale or a penguin or something.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/16 01:09:25 (permalink)
I finally decided that YES I am going to put some extra support beams for the hood.
 
I had some 1 x 1 square tubing left over from a previous project.
Good thing I measured 3 or 4 times to be safe.
7 feet and 1/2 an inch.
 

 
Cut some angle iron to make mounting tabs.  ( recycled bed frame )
And yes I know the holes are not centered.
I wanted them to be ...not as close to the ceiling.
 

 
Welded it all together, cleaned up the ends, and painted it with some galvanizing paint.
 
Came out looking not too bad.
 

 
These will span the ceiling width wise.
 
There is a nice chunky aluminum channel that runs the full length of the truck.
 
I plan to drill corresponding holes, then use threaded rivet inserts.
 
This way they can be attached with bolts and a lock washer.
This also makes them removable for any future changes.
 
Now that I have this tool, I plan to mount a bunch of the stuff this way.
Instead of just using regular big rivets.
Which are just hell to try to remove.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/17 00:37:41 (permalink)
Set up the support beams for the hood today.
 
Here is a shot of the factory beams that run the length of the truck on both sides.
They are about 1.25 x 1.25 square aluminum.
They are not really square, but they seem like it.
Hollow on the inside.
 

 
I thought about just driving self tapping screws into it to hold the new support beams.
But I figured that being aluminum, the may eventually strip or come loose.
 
Drilled pilot holes.
 




The put in the threaded inserts.
 

 
It went better than expected.
A test fit and all was good.
 

 
This shot shows the beam spanned across the width of the truck.
The second one went just as easy.
 

 
Even the paint is a pretty close match.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/19 15:18:34 (permalink)
Doin good work there Blakkmoon.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/19 15:20:24 (permalink)
One thing about taking on your own build, it will force you to use your brain and creativity. A lot of the stuff we need is not bought in the store and must be fabricated.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/19 15:48:10 (permalink)
I just wanted to tell you how very much I enjoy this thread, Blakkmoon, and I have no interest in food trucks, other than patronizing them. Good stuff.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/07/19 18:31:15 (permalink)

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