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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/09/28 08:02:49 (permalink)
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That thing is really wild looking!!  Good luck!
Looks like it already has air.
Huge amount of room!
I think those escape hatches in the roof also work as vents.
Body is probably fiberglass.
So as long as the underside was rustproofed, it might not be too bad.
Price is amazing!
 
That wouldn't be International Falls that your are from would it?


It's a steel body oddly. Yeah International Falls originally. I kind of like the back door and the wheelchair entrance will be a great service area.
Thank you, I'm pretty excited about it. It's kind of always been a dream of mine. My Son died last month a week before starting college so it's kind of a re-invention of myself and a commemoration. I'm going to take my time.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/09/28 09:40:31 (permalink)
So sorry for your loss.
 
Yeah that back door is nice to have already done.
Looks like it might have a lift.
That could be really helpful for loading equipment.
 
Don't know how long you have been gone from the falls....
I have know the Mai family there for 100 years.
Been down for many weddings, grads, etc.
 
Missed all the fun stuff like Scotty crashin the small plane in the back 40.
Or diving the Ford down the river side of the highway!
 
My dad is from Fort Framces.  Still have some family there.
And my wife is from Dryden.
You know, everyone knows everyone.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/09/28 15:10:00 (permalink)
I left the falls as a child around 1980 or so. I still have family up there on Rainy Lake and all over northern MN.
It does have a lift! I actually plan to rip that out right away though, I have another use for it or will trade/sell for some of the stuff I need to get this project rolling. I'm in Indiana now and there are very few hurdles to jump. The requirements are the same as for a brick and mortar here and fairly relaxed. Even painted plywood is fine for interior walls as long as it's smooth and can be easily wiped clean...
I don't plan on really competing directly with other local trucks. Down here if you don't live in city limits you get nothing... I live in a huge well populated "delivery dead zone" with a new interstate coming through in the near future. I'm going to just keep it parked in my driveway on shore power and city water then run delivery only for the most part with the exception of private events and maybe a music festival here and there. I think this could be a new model for a food truck that can open some doors for a lot of folks. Competition is getting crazy and prices are STUPID at the trucks here... Shhh don't let the secret out yet. lol By the time the highway comes through with all its development I'll have a solid local reputation and should have enough saved for the brick and mortar I eventually hope to have.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/10 00:22:34 (permalink)
Seems its been a while since I updated the progress.
Been slow going, but have not stopped.
 
Walls and trim are all done.
Sealed all the seams.
Finished the hood and fan.
Put up the cabinets.
 

 

 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/10 00:31:01 (permalink)
Today I started on the plumbing.
The fresh tank is going to be installed inside the cabinet under the serving window.
 
Had to cut a big hole in the end of the cabinet to get it in there.

 
At the same time I was having a lot of trouble deciding where to put the hand wash sink.
None of my original plans seemed like they were going to work.
 
I ended up going with putting it in the same cabinet as the fresh tank.
Had to scrap the sink I had, because there was just not enough room.
I went with a 1/3 size serving pan instead.  Perfect fit.
 

 
The tank fit better than I hoped.
 

 
There is just enough room on the inside to add a 2 x 3 wood frame.
It will make sure the tank is secured in place. And give some structure to the cabinet.
It's pretty light material to begin with.
Cutting out big holes doesn't help the structure.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/10 13:07:50 (permalink)
Looking good!
Are those truck tool boxes?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/10 23:49:19 (permalink)
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Are those truck tool boxes?


Yes they are.
Local place was having a big sale.
Bought a bunch for me and my brother.
Ended up at $50 a piece.
I couldn't build em for that.
They were a perfect fit.
 
I put in gas shocks for the upper ones.
 



 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/10 23:52:14 (permalink)
Put in the supports around the tank.

 

 
So is this a slip tank?
Or a water closet?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/18 01:21:46 (permalink)
Started working on the more plumbing related stuff.
Dragged the sink out of the shed, that I salvaged from the 1st truck.
Forgot that I had not even really looked at it up till now.
 
This shot shows 2 things.
1 - Just how clean it was to start with .....  not.   I knew I would have to clean it, but ......eeewww.
2- It shows how the previous owners installed the taps.
 

 
 
I forgot to take a picture before I took off the hoses, but this is a mock up of what it looked like.
Not sure which rocket surgeon came up with this kind of set up...but WOW!
 

No joke.
 
Anyway, not hard to fix at least.

 
Then THIS rocket surgeon had to make up some spacers so they would fit right .
At least they point in the right direction.
Heck at they both point in the SAME direction now.
 
Tons of cleaning, scrubbing, and polishing.

 
In the end I think it took about 5 hours. OUCH.

 
Not to mention the couple hours I spent trying to find all the parts that I specifically put in a safe spot so that I wouldn't lose them!
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/10/18 01:24:02
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/18 10:17:09 (permalink)
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 Not to mention the couple hours I spent trying to find all the parts that I specifically put in a safe spot so that I wouldn't lose them!


That's my biggest problem. I'm always cleaning and moving stuff then I can never remember the secure place that I can't forget.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/24 20:23:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TravelingPan 2017/10/28 01:32:42
FINALLY getting a little work done.
I had all these grand plans.
Couple weeks ago, I busted my hump for my day job, so I could take the following week off ( last week )
Because we were getting fantastic weather.
Then my dad has to go an have a heart attack, and f-up my whole week!!
He's fine, just a mild a mild one.
Tossed in a few stints, did an oil change and alignment.  Good to go.
So nothin got done for the last couple weeks!
I told him he has to stop messin up my plans. :)
(that was sarcasm btw)
 
And like everything else in my world, even the simple things do not go as planned.
 
Thought I had this cabinet under the serving window all figured out.
Till I started to put it all together.
Test, change, test, move, dry fit, change, move.
Must have had this simple box in and out of the truck and put together and torn apart about a hundred times!
 
My buddy, a car guy, says I qualify to be in the hot rodder's club now, with all that I have done.
 
I didn't realize how big that shur flo pump was till i had it beside a regular pony pump.
It's nearly twice as big.
I wanted it inside the cabinet.
It took some doing, but I made it work.

 
Once you add all the plumbing and fittings it begins to get pretty tight.

 
 
I added a shut off valve before the pump.
As well as an emergency dump valve that just dumps out in the wheel well.
 

 
Top half got an air vent line that should double as an overspill line.
I re used the old pex lines that were pulled out of the 1st truck.
 

 
The fill line just barely fits between the sink and the faucet lines.
Lord help me if I have to take this apart again.

 
Did these L brackets on top an bottom to hopefully prevent the tank from moving.

 
 
I decided to run rubber hose for the drain.
It just fit better than a hard pipe.
It was slightly oval.
 

 
It had a long way to run to the rear waste tank.
And no this was no planned.
I was able to close up the end of the cabinet, and it looks not half bad.
 
 

 
I even managed to build in a clean out port.
 

post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/10/26 11:43:41
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/29 21:18:09 (permalink)
And with this, the plumbing is pretty much complete.
Between Pex pipes and shark bite connections..... a monkey can make plumbing look good ....  i'm proof.
 

 

 

 
Sinks drains came out well.
Added a clean out port just to be safe.
And routed the tanks blowout valve into the drain.
 

 

 
The black drink crate is secured to the floor.
The tank will get strapped down to the crate.
I want it to be removable for winter.
 
I ended up going old school to secure the sink to the floor.
I don't like it. But it's simple and it works.

 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/30 02:55:00 (permalink)
Interior came out looking great!
 
I notice you shop at princess auto here and there. I happen to work for them, not much I can do for getting you a discount with such a big gap between us, but if theres anything you know youre interested in buying, I can look up any sku you give me and I can tell ya when and how much its going on sale for. Cheers
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/10/30 13:24:17 (permalink)
Thanks!
 
Yeah, I spend a little too much time there.  One of my favorite places.
All those diamond plate boxes I used are from there.
Got em on a sidewalk sale day.
 
They are pretty light duty for an outside truck box, but just perfect for inside my food truck.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/05 17:14:28 (permalink)
What are ya tackling on the project to wealth this week?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/05 19:43:14 (permalink)
Have not touched it this week.
Actually re thinking some of my plans.
 
In the middle of trying to sell my vending route.
 
Almost done.
Takes a lot of paperwork.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/06 00:25:42 (permalink)
My next thing was going to be working on the cooking side.
I was going to put in the big table I got early in the year near the front of the kitchen.

 
It's 48 wide and 28 deep.
Then to the left of it I was going put these nice 30 inch deep filing cabinets I got.
And just skin the top with a single piece.
I would have all kinds of big drawers.
 
But I got them before I got all the upper cabinets.

So now I don't need the drawers so much.
 
The wife suggested I try one of those nice stainless tables.
So I grabbed a 4 footer.  But it's only 24 inches deep.

 
Plus, with the other big table it all begins to look all mismatched.
The depths are different. bla bla bla  bitch wine complain.
 
So earlier today, I was at some warehouse clearance place, and what do they have, but the same kind of table as the 4 foot one, but its 8 feet and 30 inches deep.
And CHEAP.  $300 ish.  Everywhere else was 500-600 for that size.
 
So I guess I am returning the 1st table I just got.
I will try to sell off the big one I got way back.
 
It just sucks that I constructed the floor to accommodate the stuff I had.
But I am not ripping out the floor.
 
So I guess I will be trying to make this happen this week.
 
I think the wife just wants to steal my file cabinets.
 
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/11/06 00:29:11
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/09 01:02:08 (permalink)
Hey Blakkmoon,
I like the truck box idea for storage cabinets. What dimensions were they. I'm having a hard time finding ones long enough to fit the space. And how did you mount them? To the sidewall or through the ceiling. Also I would go for the 24 inch wide prep table since our builds have had narrow walkways using the 30inch tables. But I'm a fairly big guy. Clearance may not be your concern.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/09 11:04:05 (permalink)
The cabinets are 4 ft long, by 17 inch by 18 inch.
 
And I only got them because they were on clearance for $50 a pop.
The reg price is $200 each.  ouch.
But I'm glad I got them.
 
You guys can get similar ones down there from amazon or Walmart for about $125 with free shipping.
 
I made sure to mount beams inside the walls to attach to from the back at the top and bottom.
If there was not some aluminum factory beam to screw into.
Made sure to use some big fender washers.
 
Plus some threaded inserts into the factory roof beams to screw into.
 
They should be pretty darn solid.
While still being fairly easy to remove if needed.
 
I also ran 1 inch adhesive rubber gasket around all the edges to fill gaps in between the cabinets and the walls and ceiling.
 
You can see it in this pic.
The black line at the top of the cabinet is all rubber/sponge gasket.
I did this everywhere there is a gap.
I wanted to make sure there is not a big gap where dirt, crap to collect.

 
 
I went with the 30 inch wide table.
Once I saw it again, I was good with it.
It thought it had the rounded edges, but luckily they were the squared ones, so I am pleased.
 
I made sure that the serving side narrower - I think it's 19 inches - so I have plenty of space.
 
I think I will have just over 30 inches for a walkway.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/09 12:37:18 (permalink)
Sounds Great, I'll look more into the boxes. But we need 36" for our walkway. Like I said, I'm a big guy. And so are my staff. The BBQ Trailer we only ended up with 26" and it really slows production. The next build I'm going with a 8 1/2' wide unit to start.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/09 14:45:15 (permalink)
Love the foam seal idea. It will go a long way towards preventing future rattles too.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/09 19:28:09 (permalink)
Blakkmoon,
Just found a guy selling a lot of truck boxes(5) for $700 varying sizes
seattle.craigslist.org/oly/tls/d/truck-tool-box/6376391944.html
 
They appear in good enough shape and I might add a couple of the smaller ones to the BBQ Trailer.
Now I just got to get the cash out of the generator swear jar before my wife sees.  
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/09 19:53:52 (permalink)
Those will be sturdy!
Heavy but sturdy.
Not like the flimsy crap ones I got.
 
Will 700 even make a dent in the jar??  
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/14 19:29:39 (permalink)
So Pex is great, shark bites are great.
Together, they give you quick easy flexible plumbing.
Shark bite are removable ( usually ).
And they allow for some rotation. Which can be handy
 
Hint 1.
Test your plumbing in the warm weather.
Hint 2 - TOWELS.
Hint 3 - while the pex is pliable, and the shark bites allow for rotation....
            They like STRAIGHT on connections.
            No  bend in the line.
 
All lines should be STRAIGHT in and out!!
Any deviation from this will cause leaks.

 
If you have to angle or bend the pex....
Either use pex clamps and connectors, or go with multiple elbows if you are using shark bites.
Plus any long runs or more than couple of feet need support to keep them straight.
 
 
 
This pic is just for a visual explanation.
The one on the left bottom.
I know it is done with pex clamps and crimps.
But if this was done with shark bites....
Even this small of a bend, will cause a leak.
Don't do it.

 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/14 19:31:54 (permalink)
Did ya have a leak during testing?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/14 21:59:18 (permalink)
Only 4 or 5 leaks
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/15 05:40:20 (permalink)
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Those will be sturdy!
Heavy but sturdy.
Not like the flimsy crap ones I got.
 
Will 700 even make a dent in the jar??  




So looks like those ones won't work. What the pictures didn't show was show was the mounting brackets that where welded to the bottom and rear. They didn't line up for our support braces and I don't keep that equipment I would need to remove them around. So rather than spend more to remove them I'm on the hunt for new ones w/out the mounting brackets.
 
 And No $700 doesn't put a dent in that jar.
 

Also We did push connects for our BBQ Trailer Build. They worked great, but we kept going through pumps every couple of months so for the food truck we went with food grade hosing. A lot more expensive but haven't had to buy a new pump yet.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/18 11:13:28 (permalink)
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Yeah, those look familiar.
Don't know where I would find them.
Will have to look around.
Not a Home Depot thing.
 
I remember seeing those for hooking up water feeds to coffee makers.
They can handle all kinds of angles and stress.
 
Dang, wish I had done that 1st.
 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/18 11:15:35 (permalink)
I sold my vending route !!  YEA!!
 
So I was training them this week.
 
Left the heater going in the truck.
For some reason, it shut off.
 
Everything was frozen solid.
 
Added a second heater, and let it run for 24 hours.
 
Seemed like it was defrosting pretty good.
 
Have to test it all again.   Fingers crossed.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/11/19 00:04:35 (permalink)
All defrosted.
Everything still works.
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