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2017/01/30 10:58:01 (permalink)

Master Plan, Part Deux ....

Well...
After dinkin around with the old food truck I bought ( over a year ago now )
I am abandoning that plan ( and the truck )


Thanks to all of you who have posted your experiences.
I have learned a ton, both from experience and from you's guy's....
 
The deeper I got into this build, the more I wished I had never started it.
Simply because it would have been much less work to just start with a bare empty truck.
And one that was newer.
 
While I had always hoped for something, I never really thought it would happen.
And so just kept trudging along with what I had.
 
I figured... who knows... just build the truck and get started, and later on I could find another, better truck, and just transfer all the stuff into it during the off season.
 
Well, fate just kicked me in the nads a couple weeks ago, and this truck came up online, and I was able to snag it.
 
It was not perfect.  Needs a little bit of tlc, but nothing major that I have been able to find.
 
It was 35 below zero when I bought it.
It was buried in the snow in the back of storage compound.
 
The guy dug it out, tossed in a battery and away we went.
 
The guy bought it off of his buddy with the intent on doing a food truck that never happened.
He had to do a bunch of work to it to put it on the road. ( almost 3 grand in work )
He had it for less than a year, then I got it.

I found some records from when his buddy owned it the year before, and it looks like the truck had to have weekly inspections. So I assume it has been maintained fairly well.
 
 

 
Specs:
1998 Utilimaster – Ford E 350 chassis 3/4 ton single rear wheel
144 000 km (90 000 miles)
All aluminum shell, fiberglass front clip
5.4 v8  PS  PB  Tilt
21 ft 3 in tip to tip
12 x 7 x 7 box area
 
Work that was done:

New brakes ( everything - pads, rotors, drums, shoes, cylinder )
New shocks
New PS pump
Replaced steering column ( to fix  broken turn signal - it was easier and cheaper than disassembly and diagnosis)
Exhaust work
Have the bills for the work
Have a bunch of the previous work orders
 
I got it for 3 grand - so I am a happy camper
 
This thing is SOOOOO much better than that old one.
 
Yes it sux that I spent the money on that one.
 
I will salvage what I can and call it the cost of learning.
Heck maybe I can even sell it after I get what I need from it.
 
So here we go again....
Onward and upward James.
 
 
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/02/02 09:59:15
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 11:19:41 (permalink)
Good luck with the new truck!
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 12:07:13 (permalink)
Nothing bad from learning experiences.  Knowledge is always good.
 
You could probably sell your book.. Building of a Food Truck.
 
Good luck in your endeavor! 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 13:36:34 (permalink)
Thanks for the sharing so far and in the future. Your Hits (and possible Misses) will be a valuable tool for others.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 14:50:14 (permalink)
Thanks guys.
 
Yeah.. my last time in school cost me 20k.
So this is nothin! 
 
After about 8 weeks of below 35 ish degree weather - even when I bought the truck.....
We have had some great days here.
Making it all the up to ZERO for close to a week.
 
So everything else got put on hold and I banged off some truck stuff.
 
Changed the bald tire.

 
 
Fixed the broken sway bar links

 
Added new turn signals and 3rd brake light

 
Changed headlights
 
 
and new locks  -  LONG story - If you wanna read it all, it's on my blog here
Let's just say ... it was an experience
  to this  
eezy peezy
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 16:46:39 (permalink)
Whatcha gonna sell outta that truck????
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 19:47:50 (permalink)
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Whatcha gonna sell outta that truck????


The overall plan still remains the same.
 
1. Do this on very tight budget.  (like I have  choice)
2. DIY
3. All electric - via generator.
4. Food will be fancy ass grilled cheese, roasted potatoes, soups in spring and fall.


At least that's the plan so far.
 
I have recently been asked about doing private events, and if I could do dogs/smokeis/brats.
I can do them in a roaster no prob.
So I will definitely consider that too.
And just see how it - and I - evolve.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 19:51:58 (permalink)
So today was supposed to be the last day for nice weather for a while.
Got a bunch more stuff finished up.
 
Nothing major, but stuff that has be done before walls and stuff go up.
 
Wired in the stereo
Added cup holder ( VERY IMPORTANT )  ( COFFEE )
Cell phone holder
and back up camera


 
 Nice 7 inch screen
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 19:57:13 (permalink)
OH YEAH!  Almost forgot.
 
Fricken GENIUS BOY here.....
 
I was making an adjustment to those nice new locks I put in.
On the passenger side.
Took off the retainer nut, and SOMEHOW managed to simultaneously pop the whole darn thing apart.
Whilst NOT holding on to it from the outside, and lost the lock down INSIDE the hollow panel that is the door.
That just happens to be RIVETED on.
 
FAWWWW!!!
 
So I guess I will be buying ANOTHER lock later.
What a Maroon!!

 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 19:57:27 (permalink)
That sounds like a good menu.  We have a restaurant nearby called Melt Bar and Grilled that specializes in fancy a$$ grilled cheese and they're wildly popular. 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 20:06:16 (permalink)
I was still thinking of using the name Hava Meltdown.
But this have been such a gong show that I am probably going to stick with WTF
Because at every turn I just keep saying ---  WTF?!
 
What The ForQ
 
I have a list of grilled cheese's that I have been testing.
All seem to be a go.
 
I check that site... looks GOOD.
I may get some inspiration!
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 20:15:19 (permalink)
The one thing I AM changing for sure is my ORIGINAL idea for a color scheme.
 
I blew the paint budget on the first truck.  Spent about $900 and did it just a couple of months ago.
I really had no choice at the time, I had to cover up that stuff that was on there.
 
This time the truck is white.  I just need to touch up a few spots.
 
I will keep it white and just do it all with decals.
Still working on a mock up in photoshop.
 
The wife wasn't crazy about the latest idea....   I thought it was cute.

 
She says stick with the WTF
cmon.....it was cute!
 
post edited by Blakkmoon - 2017/01/31 00:25:43
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/30 22:12:50 (permalink)
are you keeping the roll up door? 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/31 00:03:04 (permalink)
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are you keeping the roll up door? 




No our HD would not allow it even if I wanted it.
The tracks are dirty and greasy.
Plus they would hold all kinds of gunk.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/31 12:31:07 (permalink)
Our HD down here wont allow them either for the same reasons. If you said yes I was gonna recommend replacing it anyways. I usually close off half of it and make a swinging door on the other half. Amazing how much wall and floor space can be gained by doing that. 
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/31 19:03:51 (permalink)
Yes I agree.
I have been trying to decide .... do I put a door that I can walk in and out of all the time....
Or just a wall with an opening to only be used to move equipment through kind of thing....
 
So far I am leaning toward the latter.
Even a small counter space might make a huge difference.
 
This new truck has caused a total redesign a few times because it is a blank slate.
Now I doing it over and over, trying to think about workflow.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/01/31 19:57:00 (permalink)
Woo Hoo!
Just snagged a free freezer!!
 
I have been having this idea in my head about some experiment I wanted to try with a freezer to see if it would be feasible in the truck.
But I didn't want to spend much for an experiment.
 
I used my IFTTT search recipie, and BAM!  Bob's yer uncle.
 
Free, just the size I wanted and the guy says it even works really well.
It's just an older unit and the seal is not great.
Perfect for the experiment.

 
And bonus!!  He was only a few blocks away.
 
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/02 11:00:48 (permalink)
Clearly I don't sleep much.
 
I have already stated that I am NOT going to paint this truck.
And I am NOT spending 10 grand on a wrap.
All I had to do is maybe update the colors to go with the white truck.
No big deal, I am just going to use what I had already designed for the old black truck, and copy it all over, and update stuff.
 
It was around midnight when I started playing with the mock up design in Photoshop.
 
I mean COME ON PEOPLE!
I had a clear idea, a theme, a vision....
This whole black truck, yellow lettering....the big WTF on the side.
There was reason, purpose even.
 
Funny how just changing the background color of the truck from black to white changes everything.
 
Nothing....I mean NOTHING worked.

What now?
Play, test, look for inspiration. Let it evolve on its own.
Turn off brain....  Open up eyes...
Let the mouse go where it wants.
 
So I am happy with it.
It's just so strange that it seems like the polar opposite of the first truck.
 
Heck....even a name change....
I'm losin it!
 
 
 
 

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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/02 14:50:17 (permalink)
Love the new design and name. That looks better than any wrap to me. It is clean, easy to read, and FUN. Grilled cheese is an amazing sandwich. It can be so many different things. Just dont get bogged down in a bunch of bread and or cheese choices. I see a bunch offering nothing but texas toast and like 5 cheeses stuffed with things you would never think of.
I will be anxiously following your progress on this version. You have the vision, dont let up.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/03 10:36:23 (permalink)
Thanks so much.
 
I still feel that the design change is a total 180.
Gone from dark and aggressive ( possibly angry ) to shiny happy people, rainbows, and unicorns :)
I hope its a good thing.
It must be a reflection of the truck itself.
I already feel like I am so much further ahead than I was with the black one.
I definitely have done more work in a forward direction already.
 
The menu plan is still the same concept.
Offerings of several different types of grilled cheeses - but very limited.
Kind of like a sandwich du jour.  - at least if I am doing lunches.
I might have to mix it up a little more if I do a festival.
 
Example:
Today's sandwich du jour is ( one of my favorites so far )
Thick sliced Roast Turkey, Applewood smoked bacon, brie & cheddar cheese done on a cranberry bread topped with shaved pear and resting on a bed of Roasted Potatoes.
Then add in an optional variation of the same thing.
And off a plain jane sammich.
 
And that's it for a day or two.
 
You don't want that....well go next door to the perogy truck, or the Poutine truck.
 
A couple days later, the menu changes.
Steak, blue cheese, sautee onions and mushrooms, on a bed of roast Potatoes.
Then add in an optional variation of the same thing.
And off a plain jane sammich.
 
Then do a couple of snacks/sides like grilled cinnamon bun and coffee.
 
I have about 10 different sandwiches so far.
I plan on doing soups in the colder months.
 
Heck one of my current clients for my vending biz asked me about doing things like catered lunches but figured that grilled cheese might not go over with their staff.
They are a very - burgers and fries - kind of people.
They bring in a hotdog cart every now wand again.
 
So I said sure, I could do a bunch of smokies and dogs in the roaster.
Finish them on the griddle for some "crust"
And load em with cheese and sauteed onions.
That kind of thing.
 
I know that some people won't agree with this method.
And I'm sure I will have to tweak it as I go.
 
I don't get how these guys here go out and spend $300 or $ 400 to have this huge menu board printed and placed beside the truck, or worse - have the menu printed ON their wrap on the truck.
Then when item is no longer available, or the price changes - they put TAPE over it.
Always pro looking - $300 000.00 truck, with masking tape and marker over the prices :)
 
Things change, prices change, supplies run out, sometimes stuff just doesn't work or doesn't sell in a particular environment.
Then people stand and read the menu for 10 minutes trying to decide, and finally pick one of the 50 items on the list, only to wait 1 or 20 minutes for food, because every item is a one off.
 
I HOPE my plan will cut down on prep, and waste, and allow me to pump out as much as possible in as short a time as possible.
 
My vision - on busy days -    have an order taker / server - for the window.
And me cooking.  2 or 3 griddles will allow me to do 8 or 10 or 12 at a time.
I want people to have their food in a few minutes.
 
I also want to work into the colder months if possible.
That's one of the main reasons I am trying to go all electric.
Propane is useless in below zero temps.
But the genny will just keep on pumping out the power.
 
There are a lot of winter things here ( we don't have a choice )
Ice fishing derby, Poker derby, snowmobile races, vehicle auctions, equipment auctions.
I hope to tap into these markets a get a couple more months use out of the truck.
After all- these propane powered trucks and carts can't operate. 
 
At this point it's all theory. I know things will change.  But that's the plan Fran.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/13 23:40:20 (permalink)
Blakkmoon,
After you remove the roll up door, what are you going to build in its place?
I just got a P30 with a roll up, and need to put a swing door or a pair of swing doors in its place.
How are you going to do yours? What materials and tools will you need? Are you going to weld, or use metal studs?
What door(s) would you use, and where would you get them?
Thanks!
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/16 23:35:26 (permalink)
I wish I had an answer for you.
But I'm kinda in the same boat.
Still trying to decide which way to go.
 
I do want a door, if nothing else, just for loading equipment.
I am thinking along the lines of a simple steel slab.
As long as I can find one cheap.
No need to drop $400 on door.
 
I know a guy who did an aluminum screen door.
But I want SOME level of security.
 
I had not thought of using metal studs for the back wall before.
But I did try welding some the other day. They are usually screwed together.
Not easy, but it can be done if you are careful.
 
I was thinking of trying to build the base cabinets out of those metal studs.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/17 02:08:38 (permalink)
Used mobile home door works great. Light, secure, and easy to hang.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/17 23:00:14 (permalink)
Hpx,
Can you suggest where to buy without spending say $300+ ?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/17 23:21:44 (permalink)
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Hpx,
Can you suggest where to buy without spending say $300+ ?

Craigslist. Salvage yards.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/18 11:17:49 (permalink)
This option is not available to ME.
In my neck of the woods, we don't even have old mobile home stuff that I can find.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/22 11:58:16 (permalink)
The snow has been melting, and beside my garage I found some metal that I salvaged last year.
I forgot it was there.
Nice heavy steel, 2 pieces.
1 x 1 square tube.
3 ft wide 7 1/2 ft tall
 

 
So after I cut it down, I can cross brace the middle.
I will leave the one at 36 inches wide and just cut the width of the second one.
Hinges on the sides attached to the existing door frame.
Skin the outside with aluminum and rivets.
Inside, i can put a layer of pink styrofoam insulation, a layer of 3/8 plywood, and skin it with aluminum.
 
I don't see a problem here.
Just gotta figure out a couple of the details.

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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/22 12:04:14 (permalink)
Is the narrower section to the right acting as a wall? and the left section will be a 36 with hinge to the left? Genny on the right, and tank on the left?
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/22 12:10:11 (permalink)
For me
No tank
I will be using JUST a genny.
Possibly a BIG one.
It would be way easier to use the short side as a wall.
I will make that decision once I start working on it.
 
Once its done, The genny will have to moved in order to get the doors open.
 
As I said, for ME, this will not be a regular entrance / exit.
Just for loading equipment, and trying to think a head a little, in case I need to change equipment down the road.
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Re: Master Plan, Part Deux .... 2017/02/28 08:04:09 (permalink)
Been pretty busy here lately.
In the last couple of weeks:
 
I have sold the old truck...

 
For even more than the asking price.  
Not much, but way better than I was hoping for.  
Now I am definitely staying within my budget.
 
I got the Back Door mostly figured out ( in my head ).
 
I got my used window and started to work on it.
 
I picked up a used water tank.
2.5 gallon 110 volt.
So getting a used one saves me about $300.
It heats fast, no leaks.... fingers crossed.
And because I have learned a lot from here and other sources...
It will be installed with shut offs and disconnects so it can be removed pretty easy.

 
Today I am going to pick up this work table.
 

 
Again... used.
I'm not even posting what I pay for this stuff, because its just embarrassing.
What I have to pay in MY area for USED equipment, is still close to double what you guys pay for NEW stuff.
 
I got my used window.

 
Ripped it apart, started working on it.
It's going well.
It's a little more work than I was expecting. But going way better than I thought it would.
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