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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/20 17:49:54 (permalink)
Excellent
 
Burfict will be fine.  He is not remotely the monster he is made out to be by the national media. 
 
I am glad he is a Bengal, warts and all......
 
my 5 to your 3 that he is unfairly denied well-deserved entry into the Hall of Fame, in part because of his being a Bengal (Ken Riley?  Kenny Anderson?) and in part because of his characterization as a monster by national media
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/21 16:37:52 (permalink)
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Excellent
 
Burfict will be fine.  He is not remotely the monster he is made out to be by the national media. 
 
I am glad he is a Bengal, warts and all......
 
my 5 to your 3 that he is unfairly denied well-deserved entry into the Hall of Fame, in part because of his being a Bengal (Ken Riley?  Kenny Anderson?) and in part because of his characterization as a monster by national media



Do fans of the Bengals have a "persecution complex"?
 
I "googled" 'Burfict dirty hits; pages came up.
 
On YouTube there is a virtual cornucopia of Burfict playing "dirty" against the defenseless.
 
Don't worry, he'll make "the Hall" -- The Hall of Shame!
 

 
 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/21 17:31:24 (permalink)
I am aware pages upon pages upon pages came up
 
I am aware of how the mass media and the internet perceives him (ergo said pages)
 
I am aware he was suspended earlier this season for a completely legal hit purely due to said perception rather than the actual action to which said suspension was tagged
 
and
 
I am aware that he is not the monster he is portrayed to be in the mass media, including but not limited to the Internet
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/21 18:01:43 (permalink)
Well, would you at least concede that he has some "impulse control issues"?
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/21 18:19:16 (permalink)
Sure. 
 
He's far from flawless, and the same and worse can be said of at least 2 players plus at least one coach (we like to refer to him as "Casino Ambush") with the Pittsburgh Steelers
 
not to mention Rapistberger.  oh wait, I did.
 
and then there's this sterling example of impulse control, capped off with a big ole' "We're the Steelers, we can get away with anything" grin
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbf_NtYoE1c
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/21 20:31:09 (permalink)
Oh, please. Bufict is thug. He's quite good at what he does, but so, too, is Ndamukong Suh.
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 09:03:51 (permalink)
*shrug*
 
then you dont know him very well
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 10:51:23 (permalink)
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*shrug*
 
then you dont know him very well


I don't "know" him at all. But as someone who both played and coached football I know a thug when I see one, and I've seen him play.
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 11:02:13 (permalink)
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Oh, please. Bufict is thug. He's quite good at what he does, but so, too, is Ndamukong Suh.

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*shrug*
 
then you dont know him very well




Hey!  Turns out that Suh and Burfict are rated as the two "Dirtiest of All-Time":
 

 
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BTW - re: "then you don't know him very well".
 
Pray tell then just what is redeeming about him?
 
 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 11:37:22 (permalink)
*shrug*
 
You can post a thousand videos, ten thousand videos, a million, a trillion - all proclaiming him as the dirtiest of all time.  Makes no difference.  I am very, very aware of how mass media portrays him, and ergo how most people therefore perceive him
 
Perception becomes reality for most folks.  If one is never outdoors and is told the sky is green, then the sky is green.  Particularly if one is told so repeatedly.
 
The perception is simply wrong.  Period.
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 11:54:30 (permalink)
^^^^^
O.K.
I "get" that.
So, again:
Pray tell then just what is redeeming about him?
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 12:39:57 (permalink)
I am not claiming anything regarding 'redeeming'.
 
The use of the word "redeem' in this context indicates that there is a negative action that requires redemption.
 
Would I have preferred that he not hit Antonio Brown as he did in our last playoff appearance?  Absolutely.  But watch the tape as he targets Browns midsection and Brown's head falls as he is being brought to the turf by Bengals cb Lewis-Harris (37).  This happens over the course of less than a second.
 
I think if you watched every bit of film on any player (even some offensive players) you will find plays that may appear dirty.  Particularly if you watch in slow mo, even though every player will inform you that they do not play in slo mo.  A defensive player delivers a punishing blow to an opposing offensive ballcarrier in the players helmet area, for example.  Looks dirty as hell, particularly in the current environment of heightened awareness of concussions and CTE.  But was the head targeted?  Did the ballcarrier move in such a way in those fractions of a second that placed the head in the path of the hit rather than the targeted chest?
 
Look for example at this "perfectly legal" play where a Pittsburgh defender hit a Cincinnati Ball carrier square in the helmet, and he was not penalized (he was in fact rewarded as Pittsburgh kept the fumbled ball even though all turnovers are allegedly reviewed by the replay booth), nor was he subject to any discipline, nor did the national media ever loudly decry said play as dirty or the player delivering said hit as a dirty player.  Why? well, thats easy - this is a Pittsburgh player, so this is just good hard physical play
 
Watch the defender lower his helmet to the bengals ballcarrier's helmet at the 0:38 mark
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4JfqHDlps
 
Had that same exact hit been delivered by Burfict? Oh no, there he goes again, the league's dirtiest player
 
Wait, that was a Steeler? Oh man, they just play such such good, hard-nosed, physical football, you know?
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 13:31:00 (permalink)

 
Defenseless receiver, very different circumstance than a perfectly legal hit on a receiver who has become a runner:
 

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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 14:25:52 (permalink)
Well, you're ignoring what I asked you to look at
 
I will make another suggestion, feel free to ignore this as well: perhaps you should look into rules that were changed following a certain season in which a certain hit occurred.
 
...and then ask yourself why the rule was changed, while you ponder the real rather than rule-codified meaning of 'dirty hit'
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/22 17:53:08 (permalink)
O.K.
You've backed me into a corner, so the truth will out.
 
The possibilities here are only three:
 
1)  The general revulsion in which Pete Rose and Vontaze Burfict, the two avatars of sport in The Queen City, are held is symptomatic of the well-known fact that  the world is out to "get" Cincinnati.
 
2)  It is common knowledge that the Lord roots for the Steelers and Satan pulls for the Pats.  Both have been known to smite the Bungles when necessary.
 
3)  Vontaze Burfict is about to become your son-in-law.
 
Analysis:
 
Not #1.  Cincinnati has been blessed by revered sportsmen, the greatest of whom was the immortal Oscar Robertson - "Mr. Career Triple Double".
 
Not #2.  I do not believe that The Good Lord roots for any particular team, but he has rewarded the Rooneys for their good works and St. Art for having the patience of Job.  And I do not believe that Satan pulls for the Pats, but it's well known that he and Brady have a "business" relationship.
 
Which leaves #3.  When is the date? 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/23 15:25:44 (permalink)
if youre going to ignore my points, no need to continue this discussion
 
happy thanksgiving
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/11/23 18:03:41 (permalink)
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if youre going to ignore my points, no need to continue this discussion
 
happy thanksgiving



I'm not ignoring the fact that both the Steelers and the Patriots get a lot of media coverage or that, in the case of the Steelers it is mostly positive.  And I do recognize that the Bengals get little coverage and what they do get is focused on the flagrant misdeeds of Mr. Burfict.  
 
That Burfict possesses formidable skills is not in question, but he needs to learn how to play under control.  Once he's cut I'm sure the Pats or the Steelers will pick him up, b-slap the thug out of him and make him a player.  In Cincy's case the fish rots from the head and that "head" is Mike Brown.
 
Peace.
And Happy Thanksgiving!
 
Edit:  And please do not take offense from anything I have written above; I'm just trying to have a bit of fun. 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/04 15:49:57 (permalink)
Even before this debacle of a season I thought that the seriousness and grandiosity with which the NFL was marketing itself had it headed for a Roman Empire-like fall.  But this season really takes the cake as Goodell's fatuous incompetence has accelerated the process.
 
Again, paging Dr. Rice!
 
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But I will be watching tonight as the STEELERS toy with the BUNGLES.
 
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Edit for a happy thought:
It's only 115 days until the (true) National Pastime's Opening Day. 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/04 17:04:41 (permalink)
yeah, I am sure that the Rapistburgers are lying their collective a$$e$ off about the condition of a certain toe
 
said another way: questionable my a$$
 
but - The Marvins tend play their worst under the brightest of lights - nationally-televised games - so I have already conceded the L in my head.  If this game had been played 1pm Sunday, I'd have given them a small but decent chance of coming away with the W
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 10:00:30 (permalink)
Well, the Cincinnati - Pittsburgh game certainly lived up to our mutual expectations:  violent, penalty-ridden, and a STEELERS victory aided by a franchise record 173 yards of penalties against the BUNGLES.
 
That said, Shazier's concerning back injury was a freak accident, in no part the fault of any Bengal's player.  And yes, JuJu Smith Schuster most definitely deserves a multiple game suspension not only for his ridiculous cheap-shot against a defenseless Burfict, compounded by his childish taunting.  Frankly, he should have been ejected.
 
The bottom line here is that game was yet another symptom of the rot that is infecting the "sport".
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 11:34:05 (permalink)
Aw, c'mon Jim.  They have been division rivals since 1970.  Nasty division rivals!  Both the Steelers and the Bengals have been mean and hard hitting and want to kill each other.  I don't think it is a symptom of the rot that is infecting the sport.  These two teams have ALWAYS been that way.  Antonio Brown pretty much summed up the Burfict thing when he said, "What goes around comes around." 
 
 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 13:00:13 (permalink)
Its easy to accumulate all that penalty yardage when the zebras have decided in advance to ensure a Pittsburgh victory.  very, very easy.
 
It is very hard to win in the NFL playing against just one team, and harder by far when its one against 2.
 
That said, I had already written this one off as a loss, so I have no concern whatsoever that it was a loss, only with how it happened; as this will continue
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 13:21:35 (permalink)
Yes this WILL continue!  It's football! 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 13:38:40 (permalink)
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Aw, c'mon Jim.  They have been division rivals since 1970.  Nasty division rivals!  Both the Steelers and the Bengals have been mean and hard hitting and want to kill each other.  I don't think it is a symptom of the rot that is infecting the sport.  These two teams have ALWAYS been that way.  Antonio Brown pretty much summed up the Burfict thing when he said, "What goes around comes around." 

 
I don't disagree with a word you wrote.
 
What I was referring to was the Zebra's most likely entering the game intending to "keep control" with a flurry of flags.  Even with their assessing a total of 239 yards of penalties that game could hardly be characterized as being "under control" -- and it seemed to last forever.
 
But, it ended well - especially inasmuch as Ben, Bell, and Brown are still ambulatory!
 
Prayers for Shazier; I hope it turns out to be 'only' a 'stinger' and not the cord injury it initially appeared to be.
 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 14:00:02 (permalink)
Interesting about how all the media coverage and concern and prayers are for Shazier, while Burfict also left on a stretcher
 
Predictable. 
 
As one watches the video of the Schuster hit and the subsequent taunting, one should keep reminding oneself that  the Steelers are the "good guys".
 
Yeah
 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 14:01:52 (permalink)
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JuJu Smith Schuster most definitely deserves a multiple game suspension not only for his ridiculous cheap-shot against a defenseless Burfict, compounded by his childish taunting.  Frankly, he should have been ejected.

Given that Rob Gronkowski's suspension for his flagrantly dirty play against Buffalo (a play which certainly warranted the ejection that never happened) is only one game there's no way Smith-Schuster gets more than that (which is exactly what he got according to NFL.com).
 
The NFL.com story about Burfict's injury lists the 3 rules changes caused by hits in Bengals-Steelers games since 2006.
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 14:05:54 (permalink)
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Its easy to accumulate all that penalty yardage when the zebras have decided in advance to ensure a Pittsburgh victory.  very, very easy.

I am truly fascinated by this and would appreciate some clarification. 
 
 
How exactly does this work?  Is it league mandated, that certain teams get calls?  Obviously it would have to come from a place higher in the league than the owners, since no team would be complicit in their team constantly getting screwed.  And why would the Steelers be a team that gets the calls?  Is it due to their large (inter)national following in the hopes of bringing in ratings?  Since the Cowboys and Packers have similar if not greater brand recognition, do these franchises also get all the calls?


If this doesn't come from the league and it is just from the officiating crews, how is it that every crew knows to give the Steelers the calls, since there is a different crew each week.  Are all the officials in it together?  Most confusingly, how could a conspiracy that involves so many people be kept secret for all these years?
 
If this comes across as snarky, that is not my intent.  I am just trying to logically understand how something like this could be successfully pulled off. 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 14:21:05 (permalink)
There will be no clarification
 
I stand by what I wrote.
 
I also look forward to the posting of the video in which Giovanni Bernard yells "thats Karma, B!tch!" over and over again at Shazier as he lay possibly paralyzed on the ground
 
Cuz, you know, he's a Bengal, so he must have done something utterly despicable (not to mention unsportsmanlike) like that, right?
 
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/05 17:14:24 (permalink)
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How exactly does this work?  Is it league mandated, that certain teams get calls?  Obviously it would have to come from a place higher in the league than the owners,

The phone behind the bar at Primanti's is a direct line to Roger Gooddell's office.
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Re: NFL Chatter: 2017 Draft through 2018's Super Bowl LII (& Aftermath) 2017/12/07 09:54:54 (permalink)
Let's all remember, "it's only a game".
 
Here's the funniest "Pittsburgh Dad" video yet:
 

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