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2018/05/30 12:24:01 (permalink)

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Hi, my 1st post so Thank You for all of your insight and sharing of experience. I own 2 Pizzerias and have just purchased a 16ft enclosed trailer, to convert into a slice trailer. Simple menu, slices, snow comes and begs.

A few questions, befor I begin the conversion:

1. I am not installing an A.C., to much amp/wattage draw. So my question is, should we insulate? I don't want to trap in the heat from our electric ovens, so my thinking is no...but would love your opinion.

2. Aside from hot water heater, all equipment is electric. I have a Honda UI 7000 generator, so it will be tight on power supply. Thinking of putting in 2 30am power inlets and run 2 cords from trailer to generator. Any concerns?

3. I was think to run exposed AFC electrical wire to my 6 outlets and lights. Any concerns?

5. What size fresh water tank is recommended. We will wash all utensils at the restaurant. 3 Simon is to appease the HD and hand sink will be used to wash hands.

4. Any other insights to keep from making a big mistake with the build out?
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    1bbqboy
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    Re: Newbie 2018/05/30 17:16:42 (permalink)
    Welcome Where are you?
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    Bigpie1!
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    Re: Newbie 2018/05/30 22:39:59 (permalink)
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    Bigpie1!
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    Re: Newbie 2018/05/30 22:40:58 (permalink)
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    Re: Newbie 2018/06/01 03:10:10 (permalink)
    Welcome, Hope you will find useful suggestion here!
     
    I think I am agree with your opinion.
     
    Regarding water tank that depends upon how much visitors are coming to your restaurant. So choose water-tank accordingly.
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    Re: Newbie 2018/06/01 13:41:08 (permalink)
    With no AC all you can do is try to equalize the inside temp with the outside temp.  Powered ventilation would be key in doing this.  You will be generating more heat inside than there is outside.  Gotta move it out somehow.  I don't have insulation in my truck and it does get unbearable at times and I run an AC unit.  On a 100 deg day it keeps it a balmy 90 deg inside.  All that being said, I would still insulate. You never know what you may decide to do with the trailer later and it's easier to insulate now before all the other stuff goes in.
     
    That generator is 7000 peak watts, 5500 running.  You won't get a full 30 amps from each circuit only around 23. And depending on how you configure the outlets you may have to balance the load between the circuits.  Power is always a show stopper for us.  I've had to rethink menu additions on multiple occasions due to power.  Propane is your friend.  :)
     
    As far as gotchas when building out...layout everything with painters tape first. Double check work flow with the layout.  Also realize that with the added heat in your trailer, refrigeration units will have a more difficult time holding temp.  You may have to add additional ventilation for those units and even then they may never get down to proper temps on a hot day.
     
    Good luck and welcome.
     
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    Bigpie1!
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    Re: Newbie 2018/06/07 17:13:28 (permalink)
    Thank You for the info, very helpful! As far as power, I am running a Honda Generator and I can only get 28.5 Amp, per outlet. The generator has a 3 Pole Locking, 4-Pole locking and 4 GFCI standard plugs. Would you recommend running 2 30 amp locking cords to 2 seperate 30amp exterior plug-ins on the trailer...into 2 seperate breaker boxes and then power my outlets from the 2 breaker boxes. I see no other way to get the full power of the Generator, to the trailer???
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    Re: Newbie 2018/06/07 17:59:59 (permalink)
    I believe with that generator it is either/or. The 3 pole is 120v and is tied in with the gfci plugs. The 4 pole should be 30amp 220v. I don't think you can run both at the same time.
    I have mine setup with a single cord off my 30 amp 220v. I bring this cord into a single panel and split the legs of the 220 to each side of the breaker panel. This gives you 110v on each side of the panel. Then I balance out my loads using the circuits in the panel. It's not good to have all your power use on one leg with generators.
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    Re: Newbie 2018/12/05 10:18:46 (permalink)
    Well any updates?  Have you done the build yet?  What's it look like now?
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    Blakkmoon
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    Re: Newbie 2018/12/08 10:42:55 (permalink)
    Bigpie1!

    1. I am not installing an A.C., to much amp/wattage draw. So my question is, should we insulate? I don't want to trap in the heat from our electric ovens, so my thinking is no...but would love your opinion.
     
    I insulated everything with rock wool.  Did the floor with pink styrofoam.
     
    And I put in air.
    I used a slim portable unit.
    Doesn't take up much room.
    Only use it as I need it.
     

     
    On days when it is pushing 100 outside...it is livable in the truck.
    on days when it is 80 or 90 outside, it is beautiful in the truck.
     
    I can handle the heat more than others.
    But employees REALLY appreciate it.
    Everyone handles temps differently.
    Plus, I,m not sweating on peoples food!!
     
    Think of who will be working it.
     
     
    Without insulation, you are still trapping the built up heat, PLUS getting baked from the outside.


    I also have an exhaust fan.
     
    You didn't say what kind of ovens you are using....
    Big full size things or just counter top style Cadco ???


    2. Aside from hot water heater, all equipment is electric. I have a Honda UI 7000 generator, so it will be tight on power supply. Thinking of putting in 2 30am power inlets and run 2 cords from trailer to generator. Any concerns?
     
    As with everything...check with the rule makers in your area before you put in a single screw.
    Every  ... EVERY. ....  town is different.
     
    I too went all electric.
    But in my city, the second you add propane to the mix, even if you are only using it for the HWT, you trigger a whole other set of rules, and open up a whole new can of worms. And massive $$$$$ output.
     
    Maybe your city is different, but check first.
     
    For me, it meant a whole different department.
    Design submission and approval.
    Installation ONLY by a licenced gas fitter.
    Annual inspection.
    Full hood and ventilation system.
     
    Someone on here ran 2 Hondas, each with thier own connection and I think thier own panel.
    I wish I had done it more like that.
    Better load balancing.
     
    Because of a tight budget, I used HF Predator Inverters.
    I can run my fridge, freezer, and air conditioner off just one unit.
     
    I parallel the other 2 or 3 together depending on how busy it gets.
    Running them in parallel splits the load.
    Is quieter and burns less fuel than running one at full capacity.


    3. I was think to run exposed AFC electrical wire to my 6 outlets and lights. Any concerns?
     
    6 outlets??  Seriously??
    What if you want to add a coffee pot?  Or a radio?
    Try to plan for future use, or to sell it later.


    Where I live, - technically - even adding another outlet, triggers another full electrical inspection.
    Or you end up like those guys with a rats nest of extension cords.
     
    AFC electrical wire?
    Yes it passes in most places.  - Again check with your AHJ.
    A- It looks like crap. ----  PVC or metal conduit LOOKS like a pro did it.
    B- Harder to clean.   ----  I honestly don't know how the HD allows it with all the little dirt trapping ribs.


    5. What size fresh water tank is recommended. We will wash all utensils at the restaurant. 3 Simon is to appease the HD and hand sink will be used to wash hands.
     
    - Again check with your AHJ.
    I started with a 2 gallon.
    MY HD guy said it should be capable of filling ALL the sinks, or at least pretty darn close.
     
    Although - technically - the 2 gal would pass HIS inspection.
    Someone doing a random inspection on the street or at a festival could have a different opinion and easily shut it down.
     
    Heck if you are planning to use propane, maybe use a tankless.
     

    4. Any other insights to keep from making a big mistake with the build out?
     
    - Again check with your AHJ - for everything!  BEFORE you build.
    Already having a B&M, you should be familiar with these people.
     
    Spend a lot of time reading this site and learning from other peoples experiences.
    Join the many FB groups and read all those posts as well.
     
    Find a space - garage, spare room...
    Tape off your "space"
    "build" your layout with cardboard boxes
    See how it works for you.
     
    Expect to make changes, and once you have it all figured out, expect to make more changes.
     
     
     
    The views expressed are just my 2.6 cents, and do not necessarily reflect those of the rest of the planet. 
    Any content I provide are of my opinions, and experience, and are not intended to malign any religion, ethic group, club, organization, company, individual or anyone or anything.
     
     
     
     




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