St. Louis pizza history

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2017/10/26 08:13:48 (permalink)

St. Louis pizza history

While in St. Louis last week I picked up a copy of the free, local-bent magazine Feast, in part because the cover mentions a story about the history of St. Louis pizza.  So here you go:
 
http://www.feastmagazine.com/features/st-louis/article_871643ce-9d51-11e7-ab06-fb5e9511f76b.html
 
Not everyone there uses Provel...
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/26 08:39:22 (permalink)
    I had the pleasure of "enjoying" provel cheese on at least 2 occasions on our visit to St Louis  a month ago.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/26 12:22:23 (permalink)
    Lucky you!
     
    The Italian deli/restaurant I've been to several times there (Viviano's) makes a very good, Provel-free pizza with a mix of mozzarella and provolone.  In fact, that's where I picked up the magazine.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/26 20:31:04 (permalink)
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    Lucky you!
     
    The Italian deli/restaurant I've been to several times there (Viviano's) makes a very good, Provel-free pizza with a mix of mozzarella and provolone.  In fact, that's where I picked up the magazine.




    Viviano's??
     

     
     
    Where were you?
    We visited their location in Fenton- only a couple of miles from our hotel in Kirkwood- Incidentally in my nearly 30 years of visiting St Louis this was the first time I stayed in the burbs- 
     

     
    This was a cool place- we went there on a Saturday night after our..ok actually my Snoots snack at Smoki O's (they ran out of pork steak)    
     

     
    Sandra enjoyed checking out the market and we chatted with the owner... cool guy... 
     
    My primary reason to visit Viviano's.. was to check out the "Mangia Bene" their version of the St Louis Gerber Sandwich which of course  was topped with ....you guessed it... provel cheese!
     

     
     
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/27 07:57:02 (permalink)
    Yep, that's the place!  My hotel's just a couple of miles north on highway 141, at its intersection with I-44, so I've been to Viviano's several times and they've also catered a couple of lunches at work.
     
    Fortunately they'll substitute for Provel and the Mangia Bene is pretty good with provolone.  I hope you tried a cup of the mushroom-brie soup while you were there.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/27 08:00:58 (permalink)
    I am a St. Louis native thanks for the article it brings back a lot of fond memories.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/27 08:52:36 (permalink)
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    Yep, that's the place!  My hotel's just a couple of miles north on highway 141, at its intersection with I-44, so I've been to Viviano's several times and they've also catered a couple of lunches at work.
     
    Fortunately they'll substitute for Provel and the Mangia Bene is pretty good with provolone.  I hope you tried a cup of the mushroom-brie soup while you were there.




    I had to have the real deal- authentic St Louis "Eyetalian" provel and all. We were too full for anything beyond the gerber sandwich. Sandra only had a quarter of it since she had a pulled pork sandwich at Smoki O's a couple of hours earlier. We thought Smoki O's  potato salad was one of the best "sides" of the trip.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/27 10:05:39 (permalink)
    I too was at the Fenton location of Vivano's last Thursday, 10/19.  I tried the Mushroom Brie Soup on ChickenBoy's recommendation and was very happy.  Also tried a bottle of the local Root Beer fave, Fizzy Izzy. Very smooth, nice flavor, slightly over sweet, but not outside the realm of enjoyability.
     
    After that I shot over to Salt & Smoke for a Pulled Pork Sandwich and a massive helping of their exemplary Mac & Cheese.  But my favorite moment of the day was crossing the street after lunch to the huge used record store and finding a CD copy of Firesign Theater's "How Can You Be In Two Places At Once, When You're Not Anywhere At All."  That provided endless laughs, entertainment, and flashbacks to the '70s as I meandered up the Mississippi River.
     
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/27 12:15:15 (permalink)
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    After that I shot over to Salt & Smoke for a Pulled Pork Sandwich and a massive helping of their exemplary Mac & Cheese. 
     
    Buddy

    We were at Salt & Smoke about a month ago and very much enjoyed it.  Did you happen to try the burnt ends toasted ravs?


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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/27 23:04:09 (permalink)
    Didn't even see them on the menu. Even if I had, I probably would have skipped them.  Unless you're ChiTownDiner it's tough to order the left side of the menu when you're dining alone.
     
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/28 08:06:15 (permalink)
    Hey...I resemble that remark!  
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/28 09:39:53 (permalink)
    St. Louis is definitely on my bucket list for the world's best pizza. I'm gonna need help prioritizing these:
    • Gary
    • Quad Cities
    • St. Louis
    • Argentina
    • Pittston
    • Gahanna Barbera
    I am already drooling. Just need to save up vacation days and money to travel.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/28 10:09:46 (permalink)
    Gary in a Landslide!!!  
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/28 10:31:22 (permalink)
    Quad Cities Pizza was actually pretty good.  I'd put them at the top of that particular list, but not many others.
     
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/28 10:44:25 (permalink)
    Salt & Smoke looks like I place I would certainly visit if I had a few weeks to spend in St Louis. However Since my last brief visit was 6 years ago and this was Sandra's first visit we stuck to iconic St Louis BBQ...ie Snoots and Pork Steaks..




     
    This pork steak from Big Mama's BBQ Express in East St Louis IL will likely find itself on my top 10 list at the end of the year...
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/28 10:57:30 (permalink)
    JRPfeff
    St. Louis is definitely on my bucket list for the world's best pizza. I'm gonna need help prioritizing these:
    • Gary
    • Quad Cities
    • St. Louis
    • Argentina
    • Pittston
    • Gahanna Barbera
    I am already drooling. Just need to save up vacation days and money to travel.




    Especially at this time of the year I'd recommend Argentina. 
     
    Not only will you find pizza and Italian food that rivals Italy's, vacationing there during our winter is a guaranteed cure for seasonal affective disorder!
     
    Oh, and you can also find a decent steak there as well.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/28 12:18:45 (permalink)
    Vacation in Alaska with lots of cold and snow and have pizza at Moose's Tooth!
     
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/30 08:03:04 (permalink)
    wanderingjew
    Salt & Smoke looks like I place I would certainly visit if I had a few weeks to spend in St Louis. However Since my last brief visit was 6 years ago and this was Sandra's first visit we stuck to iconic St Louis BBQ...ie Snoots and Pork Steaks..




     
    This pork steak from Big Mama's BBQ Express in East St Louis IL will likely find itself on my top 10 list at the end of the year...


    That's a beauty of a photo you got there WJ!  With how many times I have been to St. Louis over the years, I had never heard of pork steaks as a local regional specialty until earlier this year.  
     
    East St. Louis?  You are a braver man than me.....
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/10/30 16:28:52 (permalink)
    I grew up in St. Louis and in High School worked for Luigis on Natural Bridge...good food, great people!!
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/11/01 08:40:15 (permalink)
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    Salt & Smoke looks like I place I would certainly visit if I had a few weeks to spend in St Louis. However Since my last brief visit was 6 years ago and this was Sandra's first visit we stuck to iconic St Louis BBQ...ie Snoots and Pork Steaks..




     
    This pork steak from Big Mama's BBQ Express in East St Louis IL will likely find itself on my top 10 list at the end of the year...


    That's a beauty of a photo you got there WJ!  With how many times I have been to St. Louis over the years, I had never heard of pork steaks as a local regional specialty until earlier this year.  
     
    East St. Louis?  You are a braver man than me.....




    buffetbuster,  I've been wanting to try a pork steak since my last visit back in 2011, but since my trip fell on labor day weekend, nothing was open. We went in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon and this wasn't right in the heart of East St Louis , but in an industrial area. Big Mama's definitely has a huge local following. Their drive in/ take out window had a huge line of cars and they had a steady flow of customers for eat in service  as well.
    They do market and bottle their own sauce and although the pork steak was traditionally slathered in sauce, I was very impressed with  the preparation of the pork steak itself, offering a very smoky flavor.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/11/01 08:51:51 (permalink)
    WJ-
    Now I have another reason to revisit St. Louis and Big Mama's is definitely at the top of the list!
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/11/01 10:03:50 (permalink)
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    Now I have another reason to revisit St. Louis and Big Mama's is definitely at the top of the list!




    Besides, I almost forgot, how often can you cut a steak of any type with a plastic knife ? ...It was incredibly tender. Sandra and I shared one pork steak, we did leave quite a bit over. On the down side, since we had to double up for lunch , neither of us barely had an appetite left at our next stop- O'Connell's.  As a result neither of us really enjoyed our meal as much as we could have if we got there hungry.
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    Re: St. Louis pizza history 2017/12/05 22:24:14 (permalink)
    I've never been to St. Louis but now I want to go just for the pizza. 
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